Taking a person out from under the blood

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Some message churches are known to "take people out from under the blood" if they have left the church or have done something that warrants excommunication. We have been asked whether this practice has any basis in scripture.

Biblical references

In 1 Corinthians 5:5, Paul instructs the church to:

hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

And in 1 Timothy 1:19-20, we see a similar phrase:

...holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith.  Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.

The language “to hand over to Satan” is only found in these two passages as an act of expulsion from a religious community.

What do these passages mean?

Gordon Fee states the following:

Most likely, the language means to turn the person back out into Satan’s sphere. In contrast to the gathered community of believers who experience the Spirit and power of the Lord Jesus in edifying gifts and loving concern for one another, this man is to be put back out into the world, where Satan and his “principalities and powers” still hold sway over people’s lives to destroy them.

Some people see the language of the "destruction of the flesh" to mean that Paul is expecting the man to die. However, there are a number of problems with this.

First, the emphasis lies not on “the destruction of the flesh,” but on the final purpose clause, “that the spirit might be saved on the day of the Lord.” The former phrase, therefore, must be seen as part of the remedial process; otherwise the interpretation seems doomed to fail. It is especially difficult to see how an expected result of death can be understood as redemptive.

Second, nowhere else does Paul express death in terms of “destruction of the flesh.” If the phrase were by itself, without the following purpose clause, a case for death could clearly be made; but the phrase is not by itself. Here it stands in contrast to the saving of “the spirit”; and it is simply foreign to Paul’s usage for the “flesh/spirit” contrast to refer to the body as doomed to destruction but the “spirit” (inner, real person?) as destined for salvation.

Third, the relationship with 1 Cor. 11:30–32 is not as comparable as one might be led to believe. There Paul is making a judgment after the fact, as it were—indeed, after two facts. They are destroying the Table; and some of them are sickly, or have even died. Paul, by inspiration of the Spirit, prophetically tells them that these two “facts” are related in a consequential way. But that is far from “excommunicating” for the very purpose that the man might suffer physically unto death.

Fourth, the further instruction in verse 11, that they are not to associate with this man, not even to eat with him, implies that no immediate death is expected.

Finally, to these same Corinthians who have been too harsh on a brother who needed correction (2 Cor. 2:5–11), he argues that “punishment by the majority is sufficient” and that they should now restore him. This reveals how Paul thinks the community should treat offenders, who previously had to experience some form of “punishment” (see also Gal. 6:1; 2 Thess. 3:14–15).

With some degree of confidence, therefore, we may put aside the idea that Paul intended that the man should die. What Paul was desiring by having this man put outside the believing community was the destruction of what was “carnal” in him, so that he might be “saved”

The intent of this action, therefore, is the man’s salvation. He is not being “turned over to Satan for destruction,” an idea that is quite foreign both to Paul and the rest of the NT, but is being excluded from the Christian community with its life in the Spirit. The inevitable consequence is that he is back out in Satan’s domain, where, Paul hopes, his “flesh” may be destroyed so that he may be saved on the day of the Lord.

...Lest one too quickly start a process of excommunication that finally eliminates us all, a few observations about the text in general are in order.

First, in this text church discipline is not the affair of one or a few. Even though Paul as an apostle pronounced the sentence prophetically, the sin itself was known by all and had contaminated the whole; so the action was to be the affair of all.

Second, the ultimate reason for such discipline is remedial, not judgmental. For such to take place, one needs an especially loving, redemptive community, where the power of the Lord Jesus is a regular part of corporate life.

Third, according to the rest of the passage, the problem was truly affecting the life of the whole community. Probably discipline of this kind should be reserved for such “contaminating” sins.

Finally, the great problem with such discipline in most Christian communities in the Western world is that one can simply go down the street to another church. Not only does that say something about the fragmented condition of the church at large, but it also says something about those who would quickly welcome one who is under discipline in another community.

Perhaps it should be added that if one were to be so disciplined in our day, too often the person could “take it or leave it” as far as the church is concerned—and that probably says more about the condition of the church itself than about the person who is dissociated. Maybe the most significant thing we can learn from such a text is how far many of us are removed from a view of the church in which the dynamic of the Spirit was so real that exclusion could be a genuinely redemptive action.

Quotes of William Branham

The blood made a separation. The one that really believed come under the blood; the ones that didn't believe stayed from under the blood. And that's the same way it is today. Believers stays under the Blood. That's right. It's the only place to stay of safety.

I don't believe in this here Baptist teaching of—of Eternal security. I believe it in a way, but I believe you're secure as long as you're in the Church. But you get out of the… out from under the Blood of Jesus Christ, you're not secure. I'm secure from the rain as long as I'm in here.

And you wait, if the Lord willing, tomorrow night, I want to show you a mystery that's been going all the time right here in this meeting. I doubt very much whether you've ever seen it or not (See?), what's—what's took place. It's been something that's laid right here before you, and I've watched each night for us—for it to rise, or somebody to say, "I see it." See? Don't turn it away, please. I ask you if you're not a Christian, if you're—you're not under the Blood, if you're not borned again, filled with the Holy Spirit, if you've never made a public confession of—of Jesus Christ by being baptized in His Name to witness His death, burial, and resurrection, that you have accepted, the water's ready.

We're not to come together to talk about the Message. We are come together to get in the Message. And the Message is Christ, He is the Word. That's right. We're to get into It, get beneath It. Yes, sir. That's what we're supposed to do. He was not responsible for any persons out from under the blood, not one; no matter who he was, he was not responsible. All had to take not only himself, but his whole family. They're only safe when the—the token was displayed.

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