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We challenged message believers several years ago to provide us with an unambiguous prophecy made by William Branham that was recorded publicly (i.e. we can verify on a tape) and that was later fulfilled in a clear manner.  This is a response to a supposed prophecy that William Branham made "before the fact."
In 1962, William Branham related the story of the prophecy of Joseph Branham's birth by stating:
:''...a vision come down and said, "You will have a son, and you shall call his name Joseph." And so, I begin to announce it to all the people.
If this was a prophecy, it appears to be the one of the very few that were actually recorded on tape prior to its fulfillment.
=Background facts=
William Branham had five children:
William Branham had five children:


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#Joseph Marrion Branham - born May 19, 1955 (Mother: Meda Branham)  
#Joseph Marrion Branham - born May 19, 1955 (Mother: Meda Branham)  


In 1962, William Branham related the story of the prophecy of Joseph Branham's birth by stating:
=Was it a prophecy, or a prayer?=
 
:''...a vision come down and said, "You will have a son, and you shall call his name Joseph." And so, I begin to announce it to all the people.
 
If this was a prophecy, it appears to be the one of the very few that were actually recorded on tape prior to its fulfillment.
 
=Was it really a prophecy?=
 
Did William Branham really have a vision before the fact telling him that he would have a son named Joseph?


The only place that this "prophecy" is recorded in advance of Joseph's birth is on May 6, 1951 when William Branham stated:
The only place that this "prophecy" is recorded in advance of Joseph's birth is on May 6, 1951 when William Branham stated:
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:''...And I--I believe it's just ahead of me. I-- what I've ask for is, I believe that God has it just ahead. I believe I'll live to see it. And that's what I pray for.''
:''...And I--I believe it's just ahead of me. I-- what I've ask for is, I believe that God has it just ahead. I believe I'll live to see it. And that's what I pray for.''


Is this a clear prophecy, or is it simply a man asking God for something?
=Why did he think Billy Paul was the fulfillment of this prayer?=
Then of Billy Paul, he said:
Then of Billy Paul, he said:


:''My Joseph was right with me when--and I didn't know it.
:''My Joseph was right with me when--and I didn't know it.


Is this a clear prophecy?  '''Or is it simply a man asking God for something?'''  Certainly if Joseph had never been born, we could not have pointed back at this event, as we can with the [[The Brown Bear Vision|vision of the Brown Bear]] or [[The Vision of the Meetings in South Africa|the vision of the meetings in South Africa]] and state that the vision was not fulfilled.  William Branham does not mention a vision at this time.  It is '''only mentioned after the fact'''.
=Vision only mentioned after the fact=
 
==Vision only mentioned after the fact==


Another issue is that, if you read the quotes below, William Branham never indicated in advance of the birth that he had seen a vision.  Then later, after Joseph is born, he states that he had a vision showing his son's birth.  Then he subsequently states it wasn't a vision but was just something he felt was coming from the Lord.  He then later states that he did have a clear vision that he would have a son and that he was to name him Joseph. Is that a clear prophecy?
*William Branham does not mention a vision until after Joseph was born.   
*After Joseph is born, he states that he had a vision showing his son's birth.   
*William Branham then claimed it wasn't a vision, but was just something he felt was coming from the Lord.   
*Then he later states that he did have a clear vision that Joseph would be born.  


Based on this, the birth of Joseph Branham cannot be considered to have been a clear prophecy given publicly before the fact that was later clearly fulfilled.
'''Is this a clear prophecy?'''


=Quotes=
=Quotes of William Branham=


BELIEVEST.THOU.THIS_  LA.CA  SUNDAY_  51-0506A
:''And we lived together four years and God gave back another little lump of sugar... My little girl, little Sharon that was taken from me, He gave me a--a little Rebekah. And I love her with all my heart and I feel that God sent her. She's a very living image of the other little girl. And then, seemed like she was going to have no more children. Four more years have passed. And when I come back from overseas, I was reading in Cleveland, Ohio, or not Cleveland, but I believe it was Minneapolis, taking the Old Testament, a subject to read. And I was reading of Joseph. And he just outstands to me, Joseph does, of all the patriarchs. '''And I got down on my knees, and I asked our Lord if He would give us another child: possible, give us a little boy. And I would name him Joseph, if He would give me another little boy.'''
:''And we lived together four years and God gave back another little lump of sugar... My little girl, little Sharon that was taken from me, He gave me a--a little Rebekah. And I love her with all my heart and I feel that God sent her. She's a very living image of the other little girl. And then, seemed like she was going to have no more children. Four more years have passed. And when I come back from overseas, I was reading in Cleveland, Ohio, or not Cleveland, but I believe it was Minneapolis, taking the Old Testament, a subject to read. And I was reading of Joseph. And he just outstands to me, Joseph does, of all the patriarchs. '''And I got down on my knees, and I asked our Lord if He would give us another child: possible, give us a little boy. And I would name him Joseph, if He would give me another little boy.'''


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:''My little boy which is with us now, soon be sixteen years old, he was... He seemed to be a good boy. He minded me, and was very lovely little fellow. But I talked to him about being baptized and making his public confession of Christ. He lived good and everything, the little fellow. But about a week after that, I walked into the house, and he come without me asking him anything, said, "Daddy, I want to be a Christian; I want to serve the Lord." '''My Joseph was right with me when--and I didn't know it.''' The little baby that I thought would be Joseph is a little girl and I called her "Sarah." I'm thankful for her. I love her with all my heart.
:''My little boy which is with us now, soon be sixteen years old, he was... He seemed to be a good boy. He minded me, and was very lovely little fellow. But I talked to him about being baptized and making his public confession of Christ. He lived good and everything, the little fellow. But about a week after that, I walked into the house, and he come without me asking him anything, said, "Daddy, I want to be a Christian; I want to serve the Lord." '''My Joseph was right with me when--and I didn't know it.''' The little baby that I thought would be Joseph is a little girl and I called her "Sarah." I'm thankful for her. I love her with all my heart.


:''I had a boy and a girl; either which way it went would be all right. But I so wanted a--a--a boy. As far as so I--he could be a minister of the Gospel. And I believe that God is calling my little boy back there, going be minister of the Gospel. I... Thank you. Thank you. Seeing the wisdom of God, now, I more understand. If you ask God, God will give you the desire of your heart. I don't believe if the little baby would've been born to have come up to the age to be a minister, Jesus will be here before that time, I believe. And God just throwed it over on my little boy back there and that--and we thank you for your kindness and God bless you.  
:''I had a boy and a girl; either which way it went would be all right. But I so wanted a--a--a boy. As far as so I--he could be a minister of the Gospel. And I believe that God is calling my little boy back there, going be minister of the Gospel. I... Thank you. Thank you. Seeing the wisdom of God, now, I more understand. If you ask God, God will give you the desire of your heart. I don't believe if the little baby would've been born to have come up to the age to be a minister, Jesus will be here before that time, I believe. And God just throwed it over on my little boy back there and that--and we thank you for your kindness and God bless you.<ref>BELIEVEST.THOU.THIS_  LA.CA  SUNDAY_  51-0506A</ref>
 


THE.ARK_  JEFF.IN  V-26 N-18  SUNDAY_  55-0522
:''Now, there's three elements that people live in. First is the humanistic. Second is Divine revelation. And third is vision.
:''Now, there's three elements that people live in. First is the humanistic. Second is Divine revelation. And third is vision.
:''Now, this, like in prayer, when you pray for anyone in humanistic, we say, "Well, I--I hope you'll get well. See, I--I'm hoping. I'm believing with you, trying to use all the faith I can." That's human.
:''Now, this, like in prayer, when you pray for anyone in humanistic, we say, "Well, I--I hope you'll get well. See, I--I'm hoping. I'm believing with you, trying to use all the faith I can." That's human.
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:''So many thought that I said that was Joseph. I said, "No, no. I didn't say that was Joseph."
:''So many thought that I said that was Joseph. I said, "No, no. I didn't say that was Joseph."
:''And some of them said, '''"Well, didn't you say that you seen a vision of this?"''' You know how people get things mixed up.
:''And some of them said, '''"Well, didn't you say that you seen a vision of this?"''' You know how people get things mixed up.
:''I said, "I got the tapes on it. See? Come, listen. '''I never said it was Joseph.'''" I said, "'''The Lord has put in my heart that I'm going to have a son by the name of Joseph.'''" See? I said, "I don't know how, when, or what, but it's going to be." So I didn't know. "I may have--may have six girls before we have him, but he will be here." Well, that just never left my heart. And we went on.
:''I said, "I got the tapes on it. See? Come, listen. '''I never said it was Joseph.'''" I said, "'''The Lord has put in my heart that I'm going to have a son by the name of Joseph.'''" See? I said, "I don't know how, when, or what, but it's going to be." So I didn't know. "I may have--may have six girls before we have him, but he will be here." Well, that just never left my heart. And we went on.<ref>THE.ARK_  JEFF.IN  55-0522</ref>
 
 
:''In a little closet, way yonder in the north lands You promised this child to me. Father, may Your blessings rest upon Him. Joseph, my boy, I give you to God, and may your life be a blessing. '''May you be a prophet, Joseph'''; may God's grace rest on you. May the God of your father, the Lord Jesus Christ ever bless you and make your life a blessing to others. In Jesus Christ's Name I bless this child. Amen.<ref>ENTICING.SPIRITS_ JEFF.IN DE 79-112 SUNDAY_ 55-0724</ref>
 


DOOR.TO.THE.HEART_  HARRISONBURG.VA  SUNDAY_  58-0316E
:''I was just talking to my little boy, Joseph. Oh, my. He's quite a boy. You know, I... '''How many ever remembered being in my meetings that I saw a vision of him coming six years before he got here, told the people about it, and his name would be Joseph?'''
:''I was just talking to my little boy, Joseph. Oh, my. He's quite a boy. You know, I... '''How many ever remembered being in my meetings that I saw a vision of him coming six years before he got here, told the people about it, and his name would be Joseph?'''
:''Doctor said, "She can't have another baby."
:''Doctor said, "She can't have another baby."
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:''She said, "You called him Joseph."
:''She said, "You called him Joseph."
:''I said, "That's his name." Certainly. So then...
:''I said, "That's his name." Certainly. So then...
:''You know when he was little, just a little baby, he had a little sister four years old, and one eight: Sarah and Rebekah. And they used to love to bite him to make him cry, just to show he didn't have any teeth, you know, just his gums. They thought that was something. He didn't have any teeth, just his gums showing.
:''You know when he was little, just a little baby, he had a little sister four years old, and one eight: Sarah and Rebekah. And they used to love to bite him to make him cry, just to show he didn't have any teeth, you know, just his gums. They thought that was something. He didn't have any teeth, just his gums showing.<ref>DOOR.TO.THE.HEART_  HARRISONBURG.VA  SUNDAY_  58-0316E</ref>
 


THE.POWER.OF.GOD_  CHICAGO.IL  THURSDAY_  55-1006E
:''You know, I remember, little Joseph about six years before he was born. I was over at Minneapolis a praying. I was just reading the life of Joseph, what a wonderful person he was. And then there was... I went into a little closet where I had my clothes hanging, and I pulled the door together. And I was just a weeping and--and thanking the Lord for this Joseph.
:''You know, I remember, little Joseph about six years before he was born. I was over at Minneapolis a praying. I was just reading the life of Joseph, what a wonderful person he was. And then there was... I went into a little closet where I had my clothes hanging, and I pulled the door together. And I was just a weeping and--and thanking the Lord for this Joseph.
:''And '''Something just said to me, not a vision, but Something just said to me, "You'll have a boy, and you'll call his name Joseph.'''"
:''And '''Something just said to me, not a vision, but Something just said to me, "You'll have a boy, and you'll call his name Joseph.'''"
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:''I said, "Yeah."
:''I said, "Yeah."
:''Said, "You got a fine seven-pound boy."
:''Said, "You got a fine seven-pound boy."
:''I said, "Joseph, you're a long time getting here. But I'm sure glad you arrived."  
:''I said, "Joseph, you're a long time getting here. But I'm sure glad you arrived."<ref>THE.POWER.OF.GOD_  CHICAGO.IL 55-1006E</ref>
 
 
:''Somehow, when I was in our church. Many of you sprinkle them in baptism, infant baptism; that's all right. We try to follow the Bible. Jesus picked up little children and blessed them. We dedicate them. And in dedication of the little boy at the altar, somehow, I was inspired to say, '''"Joseph, thou art God's prophet."''' And maybe when I leave, I pray that a double portion of the Spirit will come upon Joseph for the age to come, if there is one.<ref>THIRSTING.FOR.LIFE TACOMA.WA  57-0728</ref>
 


LET.US.SEE.GOD_  SAN.JOSE.CA  V-14 N-2  SUNDAY_  59-1129
:''Many of you has heard of Joseph, haven't you? The African people recently sent him a little coat of several colors. I saw him six years before he came, when the doctor said we'd never have another baby, we could not have. Our children had to be caesarean. My mother, my wife's people is that way; they--their babies are all caesarean. And the Lord told me I was going to have this baby, when the doctor said it could not be done, said it just could not be done. I said, "It'll be anyhow." '''And we waited four years after a vision come that I'd have a boy, and I should call his name Joseph.'''
:''Many of you has heard of Joseph, haven't you? The African people recently sent him a little coat of several colors. I saw him six years before he came, when the doctor said we'd never have another baby, we could not have. Our children had to be caesarean. My mother, my wife's people is that way; they--their babies are all caesarean. And the Lord told me I was going to have this baby, when the doctor said it could not be done, said it just could not be done. I said, "It'll be anyhow." '''And we waited four years after a vision come that I'd have a boy, and I should call his name Joseph.'''
:''And after that, there was another girl born. Everybody laughed at me and said, "You meant Josephine."
:''And after that, there was another girl born. Everybody laughed at me and said, "You meant Josephine."
:''I said, "No. I meant Joseph, as a boy." He'll perhaps take my place when I'm gone, if Jesus tarries. And four more years, then the doctor was positive there'd never be another one; four more years Joseph arrived.
:''I said, "No. I meant Joseph, as a boy." He'll perhaps take my place when I'm gone, if Jesus tarries. And four more years, then the doctor was positive there'd never be another one; four more years Joseph arrived.<ref>LET.US.SEE.GOD_  SAN.JOSE.CA  V-14 N-2  SUNDAY_  59-1129</ref>
 


BLIND.BARTIMAEUS_  BEAUMONT.TX  TUESDAY_  61-0124
:''You all know about little Joseph. '''Six years before he come I saw him in a vision.''' The doctor said my wife could never have another child. I said, "Oh, yes."
:''You all know about little Joseph. '''Six years before he come I saw him in a vision.''' The doctor said my wife could never have another child. I said, "Oh, yes."
:''So when the next child was borned, it was a girl. They said, "Uh-huh. You meant, Josephine."
:''So when the next child was borned, it was a girl. They said, "Uh-huh. You meant, Josephine."
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:''And I said, "Joseph, you've been a long time getting here. Daddy's glad to see you."
:''And I said, "Joseph, you've been a long time getting here. Daddy's glad to see you."
:''And so, she said, "You called him Joseph."
:''And so, she said, "You called him Joseph."
:''I said, "That's his name."
:''I said, "That's his name."<ref>BLIND.BARTIMAEUS_  BEAUMONT.TX  TUESDAY_  61-0124</ref>
 


BE.NOT.AFRAID.IT.IS.I_  SANTA.MARIA.CA  FRIDAY_  62-0629
:''Wife was with me at this meeting and little Joseph. That's been about three years ago. And all of you know the story, or perhaps have read about Joseph. I was taking the life of Joseph... And the doctor had told us we could have no more children after Rebekah was born, because she was a caesarean, and the wife could not have another child.
:''Wife was with me at this meeting and little Joseph. That's been about three years ago. And all of you know the story, or perhaps have read about Joseph. I was taking the life of Joseph... And the doctor had told us we could have no more children after Rebekah was born, because she was a caesarean, and the wife could not have another child.
:''And I went into a little closet at Minneapolis, and was weeping there before the Lord. '''And a vision come down and said, "You will have a son, and you shall call his name Joseph." And so, I begin to announce it to all the people.''' And so, then waited four years.
:''And I went into a little closet at Minneapolis, and was weeping there before the Lord. '''And a vision come down and said, "You will have a son, and you shall call his name Joseph." And so, I begin to announce it to all the people.''' And so, then waited four years.
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:''I said, "Joseph, honey, you've been a long time getting here. Daddy's kind of glad to see you."
:''I said, "Joseph, honey, you've been a long time getting here. Daddy's kind of glad to see you."
:''And she said, "You called him Joseph."
:''And she said, "You called him Joseph."
:''I said, "That's his name."
:''I said, "That's his name."<ref>BE.NOT.AFRAID.IT.IS.I_  SANTA.MARIA.CA  FRIDAY_  62-0629</ref>
 
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