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    |'''''[[The September 2020 Debate|THE DEBATE]]'''''<br>On September 12, 2020, the first-ever English language debate between a message pastor (Jesse Smith of Akron, OH) and an ex=message Christian (Rod Bergen from the Off The Shelf podcast and the BelieveTheSign website) took place. The discussion was moderated by Jay Cox and Tim Kraus.<br>
    |'''''[[The September 2020 Debate|THE DEBATE]]'''''<br>On September 12, 2020, the first-ever English language debate between a message pastor (Jesse Smith of Akron, OH) and an ex-message Christian (Rod Bergen from [[List of Off The Shelf podcast episodes|the Off The Shelf podcast]]) took place. The discussion was moderated by Jay Cox and Tim Kraus.<br>
    '''[[The September 2020 Debate|Click here to watch the debate]]'''<br><br>
    '''[[The September 2020 Debate|Click here to watch the debate]]'''<br><br>
    The agreed question for discussion:<br>
    The agreed question for discussion:<br>