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A response to Pastor Wisper Gwena: Difference between revisions
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:''Your explanation on God asking Elijah vs WMB saying I will kill a brown bear has a fundamental flaw. Your explanation can only be valid under the assumption that another Prophet came and told Elijah God’s instruction and then Elijah was disobedient to God’s instruction. We have no record of God using another Prophet to bring this instruction neither do we have any basis for such an assumption. As a Prophet, God would have spoken to Elijah directly in a vision or in dream or any other way. It follows then that at the time of God’s instruction to Elijah, it was ONLY Elijah who would have shared the instruction. This then becomes the same as when WMB saw a vision and shared it as God’s Word to Him. Applying your critics perspective, Elijah dying without his vision being fulfilled would have been a failed vision in your standards. That’s the scriptural precedent that you fail to see and yet it was very apparent to our congregation. | :''Your explanation on God asking Elijah vs WMB saying I will kill a brown bear has a fundamental flaw. Your explanation can only be valid under the assumption that another Prophet came and told Elijah God’s instruction and then Elijah was disobedient to God’s instruction. We have no record of God using another Prophet to bring this instruction neither do we have any basis for such an assumption. As a Prophet, God would have spoken to Elijah directly in a vision or in dream or any other way. It follows then that at the time of God’s instruction to Elijah, it was ONLY Elijah who would have shared the instruction. This then becomes the same as when WMB saw a vision and shared it as God’s Word to Him. Applying your critics perspective, Elijah dying without his vision being fulfilled would have been a failed vision in your standards. That’s the scriptural precedent that you fail to see and yet it was very apparent to our congregation. | ||
::Sorry, Pastor Gqwena, but your explanation makes no sense. Who said he received a vision? | ::Sorry, Pastor Gqwena, but your explanation makes no sense in the light of the plain meaning of scripture. Who said he received a vision? We read in 1 Kings 19: | ||
:::''and after the fire '''a still small voice'''. And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, '''there came a voice unto him''', and said, What doest thou here, Elijah? 14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away. And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria: And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room. And it shall come to pass, that him that escapeth the sword of Hazael shall Jehu slay: and him that escapeth from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha slay..<ref> The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), 1 Ki 19:12–17.</ref> | |||
::How can you confuse the Bible saying that God spoke to Elijah in a STILL SMALL VOICE being a vision. This is the result of cognitive dissonance. You can't even read scripture for its plain meaning. | |||
:''As I said in my previous response, I find it most strange that you do not brand your process of justifying this Elijah scripture as cognitive dissonance but yet when we apply the same process on justifying our Prophet you brand it as cognitive dissonance. It’s strange how you cannot see that in both situations there is harmonisation of cognitions. I think it’s time you become honest with yourself and accept that you have been taken over by a spirit that seeks to just drag God’s Prophet WMB under the bus at all costs. | :''As I said in my previous response, I find it most strange that you do not brand your process of justifying this Elijah scripture as cognitive dissonance but yet when we apply the same process on justifying our Prophet you brand it as cognitive dissonance. It’s strange how you cannot see that in both situations there is harmonisation of cognitions. I think it’s time you become honest with yourself and accept that you have been taken over by a spirit that seeks to just drag God’s Prophet WMB under the bus at all costs. | ||
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:Finally Rod, we can debate about facts and evidences and visions etc, BUT the ultimate test is in the life. The bible tells us a tree is known by its fruits. My testimony is THE MESSAGE OF WMB PRODUCES A CHRISTIAN LIFE IN PEOPLE. That I am a witness of and NOBODY can tell me otherwise. I wonder what type of a life the so called people who left the message are now living? We hear of former deacons now alcoholics – lets give it time and by their fruits we shall know them. | :Finally Rod, we can debate about facts and evidences and visions etc, BUT the ultimate test is in the life. The bible tells us a tree is known by its fruits. My testimony is THE MESSAGE OF WMB PRODUCES A CHRISTIAN LIFE IN PEOPLE. That I am a witness of and NOBODY can tell me otherwise. I wonder what type of a life the so called people who left the message are now living? We hear of former deacons now alcoholics – lets give it time and by their fruits we shall know them. | ||
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