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Here it is in the KJV - '''''Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.''''' | Here it is in the KJV - '''''Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.''''' | ||
William Branham believed that he was the person of the son of man being revealed. | |||
=William Branham's interpretation of Luke 17:30= | =William Branham's interpretation of Luke 17:30= | ||
What does | William Branham taught that Luke 17:30, Malachi 4:5 and Revelation 10:7 were all fulfilled in the same person, '''himself'''. | ||
William Branham continually points to this reference to Sodom and emphasizes that Sodom was destroyed for their sexual immorality and homosexuality. He frequently types this behavior to that of the modern church, equating the way people dress, the immorality of the world today, and of churches to that of Sodom. | |||
=What does that Bible actually say?= | |||
Does the Bible teach that Luke 17:30 is a prophecy that is to be fulfilled just prior to the coming of Christ? | |||
The Bible is not a book that can be taken lightly. The integrity of the Bible is at stake if we dismiss these clearly worded statements of time. As students of the Bible, we are obligated to take God at His word, even when it contradicts what we’ve been taught by popular prophecy writers.<ref>Gary DeMar, Last Days Madness: Obsession of the Modern Church, Fourth revised edition (Powder Springs, GA: American Vision, 1999), 30.</ref> | |||
=The context of Luke 17:30= | ==The context of Luke 17:30== | ||
First, let's make sure we get additional context by reading more of Luke 17. In this case, we are quoting the NLT, but you can see this plainly in the KJV as well: | First, let's make sure we get additional context by reading more of Luke 17. In this case, we are quoting the NLT, but you can see this plainly in the KJV as well: | ||
:''But first the Son of Man must suffer terribly and be rejected by this generation. | :''But first the '''Son of Man''' must suffer terribly and be rejected by this generation. | ||
:''“When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. In those days, the people enjoyed banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat and the flood came and destroyed them all. | :''“When the '''Son of Man''' returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. In those days, the people enjoyed banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat and the flood came and destroyed them all. | ||
:''“And the world will be as it was in the days of Lot. '''People went about their daily business—eating and drinking, buying and selling, farming and building— until the morning Lot left Sodom.''' Then fire and burning sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. Yes, it will be ‘business as usual’ right up to the day when the Son of Man is revealed. On that day a person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. A person out in the field must not return home. Remember what happened to Lot’s wife! If you cling to your life, you will lose it, and if you let your life go, you will save it. That night two people will be asleep in one bed; one will be taken, the other left. Two women will be grinding flour together at the mill; one will be taken, the other left.” | :''“And the world will be as it was in the days of Lot. '''People went about their daily business—eating and drinking, buying and selling, farming and building— until the morning Lot left Sodom.''' Then fire and burning sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. Yes, it will be ‘business as usual’ right up to the day when the '''Son of Man''' is revealed. On that day a person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. A person out in the field must not return home. Remember what happened to Lot’s wife! If you cling to your life, you will lose it, and if you let your life go, you will save it. That night two people will be asleep in one bed; one will be taken, the other left. Two women will be grinding flour together at the mill; one will be taken, the other left.” | ||
:''“Where will this happen, Lord?” the disciples asked. | :''“Where will this happen, Lord?” the disciples asked. | ||
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:''Jesus replied, “Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.<ref>Luke 17:25-37 (NLT)</ref> | :''Jesus replied, “Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.<ref>Luke 17:25-37 (NLT)</ref> | ||
=Other references to Sodom= | =Comparison to Matthew 24= | ||
Taking Matthew 24 as the standard, Luke places the Noah’s ark analogy (Matt. 24:37–39) before the events of Matthew 24:17–18 (“let him who is on the housetop not go down”), verse 27 (“for just as the lightning comes from the east”), and verse 28 (“wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather”). If the five prophetic events of Matthew 24 that are found in Luke 17:22–37 are numbered 1–2–3–4–5, Luke’s numbering of the same events would be 2–4–1–5–3. While this is not positive proof of an A.D. 70 fulfillment for chapters 24 and 25, it certainly adds credibility to the position.<ref>Gary DeMar, Last Days Madness: Obsession of the Modern Church, Fourth revised edition (Powder Springs, GA: American Vision, 1999), 198.</ref> | |||
==Other references to Sodom== | |||
Notice that this passage in Luke 17 doesn't really refer to any specific sins committed in Sodom, but rather, types the experience in Sodom to what will happen when Jesus returns. Essentially, people will be carrying on with their normal business and they will be caught off-guard; His return will be a surprise. The specific sins of Sodom don't really seem to matter in this context, however, at first glance it's easy to see how Brother Branham's teaching could be inferred from this scripture....or can it? What does the Bible say elsewhere about Sodom's sins? | Notice that this passage in Luke 17 doesn't really refer to any specific sins committed in Sodom, but rather, types the experience in Sodom to what will happen when Jesus returns. Essentially, people will be carrying on with their normal business and they will be caught off-guard; His return will be a surprise. The specific sins of Sodom don't really seem to matter in this context, however, at first glance it's easy to see how Brother Branham's teaching could be inferred from this scripture....or can it? What does the Bible say elsewhere about Sodom's sins? | ||
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:''I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. '''I do not ask that you take them out of the world''', but that you keep them from the evil one.<ref>The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Jn 17:14–15.</ref> | :''I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. '''I do not ask that you take them out of the world''', but that you keep them from the evil one.<ref>The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Jn 17:14–15.</ref> | ||
=Quotes of William Branham= | |||
''What did He do to Sarah and Abraham? After He went on down to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Angels come down there, '''seen that perverted generation of people, just like we're getting today'''... Look at the papers and things, how they're packing, how perversion people is on the move because men can't be satisfied with one wife, and he's living with every thing, every woman that he can run around with, and women the same way. And it's become just like the sin of Sodom. On the increase, till the government's full of them; the nation's full of them. This West Coast is contaminated with it. I get thousands of letters from up-and-down this coast of men and women and things, done stepped across the line, '''perverted''', giving them the mind of--of that type. Notice, what a pitiful thing it is. Not a remedy or medicine in the world can cure it: only God.<ref>55-1117 JEHOVAH.JIREH_ SAN.FERNANDO.CA</ref> | |||
The '''hour of the seventh angel's Message''', all the mysteries of God should be made known '''in that Elijah, this last hour'''; how that Christ is put out of His church, the Son of God; how He is '''revealed as Son of man''' again; how that the Church is to be put in order, and everything for the last day, no creed, no denomination, just absolutely the Word living in the individual. "I'll take one, and leave one. I'll take this, and leave that one." See? There's just... There's no strings, no denominations, no bindings or nothing; it's the heart with God, and Him alone. See? | |||
''...Notice, '''same Pillar of Fire''' sent to Moses and to Paul, that wrote the Bible, now sent to reveal It. The grace of God, the unchanging God, fulfilling the promises of Matthew 28, "Lo, I am with you always"; fulfilling Saint John 14:12, "The works that I do, you also"; fulfilling Saint Luke 17:28-29, "'''In the last days the Son of man will be revealed'''," see, see; '''Malachi 4''', "Behold, I send to you '''Elijah the prophet''', that will restore the Faith of the people back to the original Word." See? How this... See? Oh, my!<ref>THE.UNVEILING.OF.GOD JEFF.IN 64-0614M</ref> | |||
''After nineteen hundred years, and we're at the end of the '''Laodicea church age''', He promised, in '''Luke 17:30''', that this same Son of man (He promised it) would be revealed in the days like it was in '''Sodom''', upon the earth. Did He do it? Does it have to come to pass? It's impossible... Now, remember, He come in three names: the Son of man, a prophet; the Son of God, the Spirit; the Son of David, for the Millennium. But in between, this conjunction, now according to His own Words, '''in the day when the Son of man shall be revealed''', reveal Himself as (what? not Son of God) Son of man. Will reveal Hisself in a different way. Now, what does that make? '''Malachi 4''', exactly right. See, the Son of man will reveal Himself, not in a whole big denominations and things, as we've had through the ages, but He would manifest Himself as Son of man again, to make manifest Malachi 4. "And in that day, I will send to you Elijah the prophet, and he shall turn the hearts of the children back to the Faith of the apostolic fathers, away from all this denominationalism, and come back to the original Word again," to draw out that last-day Bride-Tree that He promised. "In the evening time it shall be Light," not through the misty day, it shall be light; it'll be a day can't be called day nor night. See, it's making up the Body. But the same Head that was here in the East, is here in the West again, "There shall be Light in the evening time." | |||
''...Promised at the church age, come through with "not even night or day," but '''in the evening time when the Son of man would be revealed.''' It would come again. "It shall be Light at the evening time." See? What does He do? Prove His Word. | |||
''Now look back, did He come as a virgin, did He come as they said, through the virgin, rather? Did He come just exactly the way He said? Watch today, He proved His Word regardless of how many athiests, infidels, indifference, He still come right on, proved His Word. Here we are, come through this age of all churches and things, got away like they did from Malachi up to the coming of Christ. All the prophets and things had ceased, and they had got into dignitaries and so forth, but, just exactly, look what kind of a character He sent. Just exactly the Elijah, a hater of immoral women, and put on a lot of paint, powders and makeups and all that stuff there. And clergymen, he slayed them right and left. Coming out of the wilderness, pulled no strings with none of them, and said, "The Messiah's on the road. I'll know Him when He come, I'll introduce Him. Amen. Don't you begin to think you belong to this or that." J'''ust the same as Elijah did!'''<ref>PROVING.HIS.WORD JEFF.IN 64-0816</ref> | |||
''This is exactly in season, what He said He would do, "And as it was in the days of Sodom, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of man, '''when the Son of man shall be revealed'''." See? "And, behold, I send to you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of the Lord. He shall restore the hearts of the people back to the Father." See? See? | |||
''"And then the righteous shall walk out upon the--the wicked, ashes." They'll burn like an oven, see, the earth will. We see it's going to fall in yonder. And volcanic will spread across the earth, and the heavens will be on fire.<ref>SPIRITUAL.FOOD.IN.DUE.SEASON_ JEFF.IN V-8 N-7 SUNDAY_ 65-0718E</ref> | |||
'''''There was three messengers sent to the Gentile and Hebrew world.''' And one of them, which was God Himself, the '''Son of man, revealed Himself in a human form''' and performed a miracle, insomuch that told Abraham what Sarah was doing behind Him in the tent. | |||
''You said it would repeat again when the whole Gentile world would be in a Sodom condition. '''And we're here, Lord.''' Other prophecies confirming the same thing, of '''sending Elijah in the last days, the Spirit of Elijah''' upon the earth, to bring the hearts of the fathers, or, "the children back to the fathers." And I pray, God, that this hour that You will confirm Your Word, that You are the same yesterday, today, and forever. Grant it, Father. They are all Yours. I pray that You'll grant these blessings and confirm what's been said, for the Glory of God. In the Name of Jesus Christ. Amen.<ref>WHAT.IS.THE.ATTRACTION.ON.THE.MOUNTAIN_ JEFF.IN V-8 N-8 SUNDAY_ 65-0725E</ref> | |||
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