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==General Credibility Issues==
==General Credibility Issues==


*[[Plagiarism]]
#[[Plagiarism]]
*[[The Cloud]]
#[[Cloud]]
*[[Prophecy of the Cloud]]
#[[Prophecy of the Cloud]]
*[[Rattlesnake Mesa]]
#[[Rattlesnake Mesa]]
*[[Roy Davis|When did William Branham embrace Pentecostalism?]]
#[[Roy Davis|When did William Branham embrace Pentecostalism?]]
*[[Was William Branham Honest|The Explanation for His Poor Grammar]]
#[[Was William Branham Honest|The Explanation for His Poor Grammar]]
*[[1933 Ohio River Experience|The Voice on the Ohio River in 1933]]
#[[1933 Ohio River Experience|The Voice on the Ohio River in 1933]]
*[[The Perfect Man|William Branham was the first fruits of spiritual maturity]]
#[[The Perfect Man|William Branham was the first fruits of spiritual maturity]]
*[[The Man from Windsor]]
#[[The Man from Windsor]]
*Changes to [[Congressman Upshaw]]'s story
#Changes to [[Congressman Upshaw]]'s story
*The [[Donny Morton]] story
#The [[Donny Morton]] story
*The story of [[King George VI]]
#The story of [[King George VI]]
*[[Florence Nightingale]]
#[[Florence Nightingale]]
*[[William Branham Speaking as God|William Branham messes up as God speaks through him]]
#[[William Branham Speaking as God|William Branham messes up as God speaks through him]]
*[[The Rock Where Moses Stood|God moved the rock that Moses stood on to the Arizona desert in 1964]]
#[[The Rock Where Moses Stood|God moved the rock that Moses stood on to the Arizona desert in 1964]]
*[[The Houston Photograph]]
#[[The Houston Photograph]]
*[[Discernment errors]]
#[[Discernment errors]]
*[[Leo Mercer]]
#[[Leo Mercer]]
*[[An Uncertain Sound|William Branham's claims as a prophet]]
#[[An Uncertain Sound|William Branham's claims as a prophet]]
*[[The Nazarite Birth]] of William Branham
#[[The Nazarite Birth]] of William Branham
*[[The Amber Light]]
#[[The Amber Light]]
*[[Hope Branham's Nurse]]
#[[Branham's Nurse]]
*[[Jim Jones|William Branham helped to launch the ministry of Jim Jones]]
#[[Jim Jones|William Branham helped to launch the ministry of Jim Jones]]
*Marshal [[Matt Dillon]] from Gunsmoke was a real person.
#Marshal [[Matt Dillon]] from Gunsmoke was a real person.
*[[Is Joseph Branham a prophet?]]
#[[Joseph Branham a prophet?]]
*[[Mormon prophecy about William Branham]]
#[[Mormon prophecy about William Branham]]
*[[Guessing the disease]]
#[[Guessing the disease]]
*The sun revolves around the earth
#sun revolves around the earth
*Enoch built the Great Pyramid
#built the Great Pyramid
*[[The earth is square]]
#earth is square]]
*Women have one less rib than men
#Women have one less rib than men
*[[Prophecy: Danny Henry|Danny Henry message]]
#[[Prophecy: Danny Henry|Danny Henry message]]
*[[William Branham's View of Himself]]
#[[William Branham's View of Himself]]
*[[William Branham and Money]]
#Branham and Money]]




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The following provide proof that William Branham departed significantly from the plain meaning of scripture:
The following provide proof that William Branham departed significantly from the plain meaning of scripture:


*[[Christians that were required to believe Satanic doctrine|Some Christians were required to believe Satanic doctrine to be saved]]
#[[Christians that were required to believe Satanic doctrine|Some Christians were required to believe Satanic doctrine to be saved]]
*[[Mixing Law and Grace]]
#Law and Grace]]
*[[Fallen From Grace|Falling from grace]]
#From Grace|Falling from grace]]
*[[Water baptism]]
#[[Water baptism]]
*[[The Godhead]]
#[[The Godhead]]
*Why did William Branham teach the Godhead according to [[The Godhead#The Tabernacle of the Body|Emmanuel Swedenborg]]
#Why did William Branham teach the Godhead according to [[The Godhead#The Tabernacle of the Body|Emmanuel Swedenborg]]
*[[The Serpent's Seed]]
#[[The Serpent's Seed]]
*[[The Fulfillment of Malachi 4:5]]
#[[The Fulfillment of Malachi 4:5]]
*[[Matthew 17:11]]
#[[Matthew 17:11]]
*[[Matthew 24:28|“Wheresoever the carcase is, there the eagles will gather”]] - Matthew 24:28
#[[Matthew 24:28|“Wheresoever the carcase is, there the eagles will gather”]] - Matthew 24:28
*[[Matthew 27:46]]
#[[Matthew 27:46]]
*[[Luke 17:30]]
#[[Luke 17:30]]
*[[John 16:13]]
#[[John 16:13]]
*[[John 18:6]]
#[[John 18:6]]
*[[Revelation 10:7]]
#[[Revelation 10:7]]
*[[Zechariah 14:7]]
#[[Zechariah 14:7]]
*[[The Sin in the Wilderness]]
#[[The Sin in the Wilderness]]
*[[Was William Branham a racist?|Are biracial marriages unscriptural]]?
#[[Was William Branham a racist?|Are biracial marriages unscriptural]]?
*[[Twisted Theology#Lilies work hard|Lilies work hard]]
#[[Twisted Theology#Lilies work hard|Lilies work hard]]
*[[Twisted Theology#John Wept for Joy|John Wept for Joy]]
#[[Twisted Theology#John Wept for Joy|John Wept for Joy]]
*[[Abraham and Sarah|What was God's reaction to Sarah laughing?]]
#[[Abraham and Sarah|What was God's reaction to Sarah laughing?]]
*[[Lazy Theology#The Prophet and The Eagle|Eagles type prophets in the Bible]]
#[[Lazy Theology#The Prophet and The Eagle|Eagles type prophets in the Bible]]
*[[King Saul - The Peoples' Choice?|Who chose Saul as King of Israel?]]
#[[King Saul - The Peoples' Choice?|Who chose Saul as King of Israel?]]
*[[The Body of Christ|Does the Bible teach there are two tiers of Christians?]]
#[[The Body of Christ|Does the Bible teach there are two tiers of Christians?]]
*[[The Message#Is the "Bride" a special category of Christian?|Is the "Bride" a special category of Christian?]]
#[[The Message#Is the "Bride" a special category of Christian?|Is the "Bride" a special category of Christian?]]
*[[Three holy words]] of the Bible
#[[Three holy words]] of the Bible
*His reasons for rejecting of [[Eternal Sonship]]
#His reasons for rejecting of [[Eternal Sonship]]
*The difference in meaning of [[Q&A on the Godhead#Eternal vs. Everlasting|Eternal vs. Everlasting]]
#The difference in meaning of [[Q&A on the Godhead#Eternal vs. Everlasting|Eternal vs. Everlasting]]
*[[Sex was not in God's original plan]]
#[[Sex was not in God's original plan]]
*[[Women were designed by Satan]]
#[[Women were designed by Satan]]
*[[Can you lose your healing?]]
#[[Can you lose your healing?]]
*[[Reason and Faith|Christians should "cast down reasoning"]]
#[[Reason and Faith|Christians should "cast down reasoning"]]
*[[Prophets that ministered at the same time|There were never 2 major prophets at the same time]]
#[[Prophets that ministered at the same time|There were never 2 major prophets at the same time]]
*[[Q&A on the Godhead#Did God leave Jesus Christ on the cross?|Did God leave Jesus Christ when He was on the cross?]]
#[[Q&A on the Godhead#Did God leave Jesus Christ on the cross?|Did God leave Jesus Christ when He was on the cross?]]
*[[Q&A on the Godhead#What is the meaning of "begotten"?|What is the meaning of "begotten"?]]
#[[Q&A on the Godhead#What is the meaning of "begotten"?|What is the meaning of "begotten"?]]
*WMB's view of what [[Three Persons]] means in the context of the doctrine of the Trinity.
#WMB's view of what [[Three Persons]] means in the context of the doctrine of the Trinity.
*Why did William Branham misrepresent [[The Trinity|the Church's historical view of the Trinity]]?
#Why did William Branham misrepresent [[The Trinity|the Church's historical view of the Trinity]]?
*[[Enoch and Noah#The Seventh from Adam|Enoch being the seventh from Adam]] is proof of the Serpent Seed doctrine
#[[Enoch and Noah#The Seventh from Adam|Enoch being the seventh from Adam]] is proof of the Serpent Seed doctrine
*[[Michael the Archangel]]
#[[Michael the Archangel]]
*[[Reading between the lines]]
#[[Reading between the lines]]
*[[Prophets that ministered at the same time|God only deals with one prophet at a time]]
#[[Prophets that ministered at the same time|God only deals with one prophet at a time]]
*[[Enoch and Noah|Noah started building the ark after he saw Enoch go in a Rapture]]
#[[Enoch and Noah|Noah started building the ark after he saw Enoch go in a Rapture]]
*[[Enoch and Noah|Enoch was a type of the wise virgin, and Noah was a type of the foolish virgin]]  
#[[Enoch and Noah|Enoch was a type of the wise virgin, and Noah was a type of the foolish virgin]]  
*[[The Importance of a Seven-Lettered Name]]
#[[The Importance of a Seven-Lettered Name]]
*[[Illegitimate children]] cannot be part of the rapture.
#[[Illegitimate children]] cannot be part of the rapture.
*[[That which is perfect is come]]
#[[That which is perfect is come]]
*[[Hierarchy in Heaven|Message believers admission to heaven is conditional on William Branham's judgment]]
#[[Hierarchy in Heaven|Message believers admission to heaven is conditional on William Branham's judgment]]
*[[Christians that were required to believe Satanic doctrine]]
#[[Christians that were required to believe Satanic doctrine]]
*[[Tithing]]
#[[Tithing]]
*[[Long Hair or Uncut Hair|For a women to have long hair is not good enough; it must be uncut (i.e. no trimming of split ends)]].
#[[Long Hair or Uncut Hair|For a women to have long hair is not good enough; it must be uncut (i.e. no trimming of split ends)]].
*[[Hierarchy in Heaven|Message believers will be subject to William Branham in heaven]]
#[[Hierarchy in Heaven|Message believers will be subject to William Branham in heaven]]
*[[Marriage and Divorce|If your wife cuts her hair, you can divorce her]].  
#[[Marriage and Divorce|If your wife cuts her hair, you can divorce her]].  
*[[Long Hair or Uncut Hair|God doesn't hear the prayer of a woman that has cut her hair]].
#[[Long Hair or Uncut Hair|God doesn't hear the prayer of a woman that has cut her hair]].
*[[Grounds for Divorce in the Message]]
#[[Grounds for Divorce in the Message]]
*[[Marriage and Divorce|A man can remarry after divorce but a woman can't]]
#[[Marriage and Divorce|A man can remarry after divorce but a woman can't]]
*[[Destruction of Los Angeles|Capernaum is under the sea]]
#[[Destruction of Los Angeles|Capernaum is under the sea]]
*The legalistic [[The Message Dress Code|message dress code]]
#The legalistic [[The Message Dress Code|message dress code]]
*[[Legalism]]
#[[Legalism]]
*[[The Midwives of Egypt]]
#[[The Midwives of Egypt]]
*[[Are There Women Angels?]]
#[[Are There Women Angels?]]
*[[Twisted Theology#Don't Weep|John never wept because there was no one worthy to open the book]]- he was weeping for joy.  
#[[Twisted Theology#Don't Weep|John never wept because there was no one worthy to open the book]]- he was weeping for joy.  
*[[Destruction of Los Angeles#Pearry Green's Testimony]] - Billy Paul won’t be an old man before ‘sharks swim’ through LA (Billy Paul has himself affirmed this)  
#[[Destruction of Los Angeles#Pearry Green's Testimony]] - Billy Paul won’t be an old man before ‘sharks swim’ through LA (Billy Paul has himself affirmed this)  
*[[THUS SAITH THE LORD|William Branham's use of Thus Saith The Lord]]
#[[THUS SAITH THE LORD|William Branham's use of Thus Saith The Lord]]
*The meaning of [[El Shaddai]]
#The meaning of [[El Shaddai]]
*What was [[The Sign of the Messiah]]
#What was [[The Sign of the Messiah]]
*Jesus never said he was the Son of God, always the Son of Man. (Any serious need to teach this?)
#Jesus never said he was the Son of God, always the Son of Man. (Any serious need to teach this?)
*“You can have the baptism of the Holy Ghost every hour in your life, and still be lost and go to hell.” 65-1207  LEADERSHIP. (Did he use the word ‘baptism’ in a different context?  Possibly referring to the anointing that could fall on anyone?)
#“You can have the baptism of the Holy Ghost every hour in your life, and still be lost and go to hell.” 65-1207  LEADERSHIP. (Did he use the word ‘baptism’ in a different context?  Possibly referring to the anointing that could fall on anyone?)
*Can't use tithes to build a church
#Can't use tithes to build a church
*God's three Bibles
#God's three Bibles
*For a person to be qualified for the ministry, they have to marry a virgin.
#For a person to be qualified for the ministry, they have to marry a virgin.
*“Gifts and callings are without repentance. “ – was his interpretation an ‘innocent’ one? Or simply a ‘private interpretation’?
#“Gifts and callings are without repentance. “ – was his interpretation an ‘innocent’ one? Or simply a ‘private interpretation’?
*Necromancy – WMB talked to his dead wife/daughter “contact dead spirit in the world of the dead”. The talk with Hope & Sharon and the chair in heaven that will never be taken away.
#Necromancy – WMB talked to his dead wife/daughter “contact dead spirit in the world of the dead”. The talk with Hope & Sharon and the chair in heaven that will never be taken away.
*The worship of the angel – WMB fell face down before the angel – Why does the angel not rebuke him? He just vanishes
#The worship of the angel – WMB fell face down before the angel – Why does the angel not rebuke him? He just vanishes
*The Pyramid and Zodiac doctrines
#The Pyramid and Zodiac doctrines
*Major Prophets were never to be judged. WMB reckoned himself in this group - What to do when he speaks error? Accept it anyhow?
#Major Prophets were never to be judged. WMB reckoned himself in this group - What to do when he speaks error? Accept it anyhow?
*The Evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is believing the message
#The Evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is believing the message
*One of the chief mysteries of the last days is to receive Holy Spirit without sensation
#One of the chief mysteries of the last days is to receive Holy Spirit without sensation
*Prayer cards, were they really needed in prayer? (Any evidence that it served more than just control the crowds?)
#Prayer cards, were they really needed in prayer? (Any evidence that it served more than just control the crowds?)
*Seventy Weeks of Daniel – Seven years remaining or 3½years. (Was he referring to the prophetic ministry that is meant to take 3½ years only when he reverted to that teaching?)
#Seventy Weeks of Daniel – Seven years remaining or 3½years. (Was he referring to the prophetic ministry that is meant to take 3½ years only when he reverted to that teaching?)
*He married his brothers/sisters and remarried them after divorce.
#He married his brothers/sisters and remarried them after divorce.
*Speaking in tongues. This is no more seen.  (It was a promise by Christ and was manifested in the early church) – where did this “Mystery of receiving the Holy Ghost without sensation” come from.
#Speaking in tongues. This is no more seen.  (It was a promise by Christ and was manifested in the early church) – where did this “Mystery of receiving the Holy Ghost without sensation” come from.
*Adding to scripture is a serious error. Is Intentional illustration (joining dots) considered an addition?
#Adding to scripture is a serious error. Is Intentional illustration (joining dots) considered an addition?
*His statement that you can join a Masonic lodge as long as you remain a Christian. (???)
#His statement that you can join a Masonic lodge as long as you remain a Christian. (???)
*What was this issue of “revise them a little” on old prophecies? (Retelling constantly changes)
#What was this issue of “revise them a little” on old prophecies? (Retelling constantly changes)
*CAB version of 1977 prediction is seriously out of place. Was there any real need to mention dates in reference to the return of Christ?
#CAB version of 1977 prediction is seriously out of place. Was there any real need to mention dates in reference to the return of Christ?
*Did his uninformed comments on scientific matters indicate an underlying problem? “Man has one rib less”, “man will never get to the moon”, “The earth is square”, “The sun stood still”, “The lowest form of life is a frog”. Etc
#Did his uninformed comments on scientific matters indicate an underlying problem? “Man has one rib less”, “man will never get to the moon”, “The earth is square”, “The sun stood still”, “The lowest form of life is a frog”. Etc
*Irenaeus was a Catholic Bishop. How he ended up as one of the church messenger, given WMBs stand on the cahtolic church defies logic.
#Irenaeus was a Catholic Bishop. How he ended up as one of the church messenger, given WMBs stand on the cahtolic church defies logic.


==Other Issues Relating to William Branham's Message==
==Other Issues Relating to William Branham's Message==
*[[Hagin Prophecy|Kenneth Hagin's Prophecy]]
#[[Hagin Prophecy|Kenneth Hagin's Prophecy]]
*Our review of Owen Jorgensen's biography - ''[[Supernatural: The Life of William Branham‎]]''
#Our review of Owen Jorgensen's biography - ''[[Supernatural: The Life of William Branham‎]]''
*Our response to [[A Biographer Answers Critics of William Branham|Owen Jorgensen's defense of William Branham]]
#Our response to [[A Biographer Answers Critics of William Branham|Owen Jorgensen's defense of William Branham]]
*[[An Open Letter to Owen Jorgensen]] by Luca Freeman
#[[An Open Letter to Owen Jorgensen]] by Luca Freeman
*Who is [[Voice of God Recordings]] and how much money do they have?
#Who is [[Voice of God Recordings]] and how much money do they have?


==Doctrinal/Biblical Issues Taught by Message Churches==
==Doctrinal/Biblical Issues Taught by Message Churches==
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These doctrines may not have been taught directly by William Branham (or at least we have not found quotes yet) but are widely held by Message ministers/believers and are taught in a variety of message churches (please note that they may not be found in all message churches).   
These doctrines may not have been taught directly by William Branham (or at least we have not found quotes yet) but are widely held by Message ministers/believers and are taught in a variety of message churches (please note that they may not be found in all message churches).   


*[[The_Message#Do message believers put William Branham's teachings on par with the Bible?|ALL message churches place the words of William Branham above or at least equal to the Bible]].
#[[The_Message#Do message believers put William Branham's teachings on par with the Bible?|ALL message churches place the words of William Branham above or at least equal to the Bible]].
*[[Plum and Apple Trees#Trinitarian Christians|Christians that believe the doctrine of the Trinity are lost]]
#[[Plum and Apple Trees#Trinitarian Christians|Christians that believe the doctrine of the Trinity are lost]]
*The use of red herring arguments when [[Failed Prophecies]] are pointed out (see video)
#The use of red herring arguments when [[Failed Prophecies]] are pointed out (see video)
*[[The Message|The message]] is Jesus Christ.
#[[The Message|The message]] is Jesus Christ.
*[[Progressive_Revelation|The doctrine of progressive revelation]]
#[[Progressive_Revelation|The doctrine of progressive revelation]]
*[[Luke 20:4-8]]
#[[Luke 20:4-8]]
*[[Acts 3:21]]
#[[Acts 3:21]]
*[[Anti-Intellectualism]]
#[[Anti-Intellectualism]]
*[["Blind Faith"]]
#[["Blind Faith"]]
*[[Logic and the Message]]
#[[Logic and the Message]]
*[[Reason and the Message|Thinking is discouraged]]
#[[Reason and the Message|Thinking is discouraged]]
*If you don't believe the message, you are not going in the rapture.
#If you don't believe the message, you are not going in the rapture.
*Only ministers can handle the Word.
#Only ministers can handle the Word.
*Your Pastor will take you through.  
#Your Pastor will take you through.  
*The Message is our Absolute.  In other words - ''William Branham said it, I believe it, that settles it.''
#The Message is our Absolute.  In other words - ''William Branham said it, I believe it, that settles it.''
*The Pastor is our Absolute or Your Pastor in his Office is always right.
#The Pastor is our Absolute or Your Pastor in his Office is always right.
*Diminishing the Life and Ministry of Jesus Christ of two thousand years ago, as a result of Promoting the Jesus Christ of Today.
#Diminishing the Life and Ministry of Jesus Christ of two thousand years ago, as a result of Promoting the Jesus Christ of Today.
*The focus on the message, removes the focus from the bible.
#The focus on the message, removes the focus from the bible.
*Rapturing Faith in on the Tapes.
#Rapturing Faith in on the Tapes.
*Don't question. Don't argue. Don't Debate. Don't Discuss. Just give them a message book.
#Don't question. Don't argue. Don't Debate. Don't Discuss. Just give them a message book.
*If they're Seed...
#If they're Seed...
*The church is the wife, the husband is the pastor
#The church is the wife, the husband is the pastor
*The [[The King James Version of the Bible|KJV is the only inspired translation]] of the Bible.
#The [[The King James Version of the Bible|KJV is the only inspired translation]] of the Bible.
*"programs" are of the devil, so no-one does anything to help others through the church.
#"programs" are of the devil, so no-one does anything to help others through the church.
*Missions are for people overseas, not the homeless down the street.
#Missions are for people overseas, not the homeless down the street.
*It's OK to preach against other churches who don't have the mighty revelation.
#It's OK to preach against other churches who don't have the mighty revelation.
*Deacons are glorified ushers and no longer redistribute wealth to the poor.
#Deacons are glorified ushers and no longer redistribute wealth to the poor.
*There's no higher order to reveal the Word than a prophet. The following is a quote of Luke Gibson - ''that is an elementary teaching in this message and a close look at the scriptures will declare God always reveals His Word by prophets (Amos 3:7)''.
#There's no higher order to reveal the Word than a prophet. The following is a quote of Luke Gibson - ''that is an elementary teaching in this message and a close look at the scriptures will declare God always reveals His Word by prophets (Amos 3:7)''.
*Education is of the devil... but I know more than other Christians.
#Education is of the devil... but I know more than other Christians.
*Everyone outside the message is foolish virgin
#Everyone outside the message is foolish virgin
*Legalistic teachings related to [[The Celebration of Christmas]]
#Legalistic teachings related to [[The Celebration of Christmas]]
*People have made Jesus into a super man.  Message believers are the sons of God and ultimately, don't need Jesus to be the sacrifice.
#People have made Jesus into a super man.  Message believers are the sons of God and ultimately, don't need Jesus to be the sacrifice.


==Message believers don't believe these WMB teachings==
==Message believers don't believe these WMB teachings==
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There are a few things that William Braham taught that followers of William Branham simply do not believe in any practical sense.
There are a few things that William Braham taught that followers of William Branham simply do not believe in any practical sense.


*[[The Importance of a Right Spirit]]
#[[The Importance of a Right Spirit]]
*[[Draw a bigger circle]]
#[[Draw a bigger circle]]
*The vision of the [[Plum and Apple Trees]]
#The vision of the [[Plum and Apple Trees]]


=References=
=References=
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