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#Communism did not destroy the Roman Catholic church.  in fact, it could be argued that the Roman Catholic church was instrumental in the toppling of Communism from power in Eastern Europe.
#Communism did not destroy the Roman Catholic church.  in fact, it could be argued that the Roman Catholic church was instrumental in the toppling of Communism from power in Eastern Europe.


==1955 and 1964 retelling of the 1933 prophecy==
==Communism will destroy Catholicism==


<mediaplayer height= 50>Faith Once Delivered To The Saints, 1955|three isms 55-0501.mp3</mediaplayer>
William Branham states that:


:''Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, I said, 'Now, there's going to be three great isms. Which is now in existence. One of them is in Rome, which is--is Fascism, and one of them is in Germany which is Nazi--Nazism. And the other one is in Russia, which is communism.' I said, ''''Those three great isms is the unclean spirits''' that went out of the mouth of the false prophet, and the dragons, and so forth that '''will unite themselves together''', speaking things that they should not, and they'll all beat at one another, '''until they'll finally wind up in one ism'''. And I predict that that will be communism.'''  (See the sermon [http://www.nathan.co.za/message.asp?sermonum=243 Faith Once Delivered To The Saints, 1955] for the full text of this prophecy.)
:''The third vision was in the realm of world politics for it showed me that there would be three great ISMS, Facism, Nazism, Communism, but that the first two would be swallowed up into the third. The voice admonished, "WATCH RUSSIA, WATCH RUSSIA. Keep your eye on the King of the North.''  (Taken from Chapter 9 of the Church Ages Book (the Laodicean Church Age), William Branham)
==Problems with the prophecy==
===Communism will destroy Catholicism===
William Branham states that:
*’’One ism will dominate the world and will burn the Vatican City.’’
*’’One ism will dominate the world and will burn the Vatican City.’’
*’’Communism will burn the Vatican city.’’
*’’Communism will burn the Vatican city.’’
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History, however, has shown that Catholicism was instrumental in the fall of communism.  Lech Wałęsa has said that “The pope started this chain of events that led to the end of communism” and Mikhail Gorbachev has said “The collapse of the Iron Curtain would have been impossible without John Paul II.”  
History, however, has shown that Catholicism was instrumental in the fall of communism.  Lech Wałęsa has said that “The pope started this chain of events that led to the end of communism” and Mikhail Gorbachev has said “The collapse of the Iron Curtain would have been impossible without John Paul II.”  


===Communism winding up in Catholicism===
==Communism winding up in Catholicism==
 
William Branham stated that “ Communism will burn the Vatican city” and "Keep your eyes on Russia. She'll all wind up in Communism. And then it'll all wind up finally in Catholicism.”   
William Branham stated that “ Communism will burn the Vatican city” and "Keep your eyes on Russia. She'll all wind up in Communism. And then it'll all wind up finally in Catholicism.”   
This creates a problem because if Communism winds up in Catholicism, it will be Russian Communist Catholics that will eventually burn the Vatican.   
This creates a problem because if Communism winds up in Catholicism, it will be Russian Communist Catholics that will eventually burn the Vatican.   


===Three Unclean Spirits===
==Three Unclean Spirits==
 
Up until 1964, William Branham taught that the three unclean spirits of Revelation 16:13 were the three isms of his 1933 prophecy. <ref>’’Those three great isms is the unclean spirits that went out of the mouth of the false prophet.’’ (May 1, 1955, Chicago, Illinois)</ref>  However, he abandoned this interpretation in July 1965 in favor of teaching that the doctrine of the Trinity was the three unclean spirits of Revelation 16:13. <ref>’’Where was trinitarianism born at? Remember, "three unclean spirits," individual spirits. Are you getting it? Notice, they look back to the Nicaea Council where the trinity doctrine was born at, not in the Bible…. at Nicaea, Rome," when them three unclean spirits went out of the dragon, the false prophets, and so forth. [when they said] "We believe there is a trinity of Gods."  (July 25, 1965, Jeffersonville, Indiana).</ref>   
Up until 1964, William Branham taught that the three unclean spirits of Revelation 16:13 were the three isms of his 1933 prophecy. <ref>’’Those three great isms is the unclean spirits that went out of the mouth of the false prophet.’’ (May 1, 1955, Chicago, Illinois)</ref>  However, he abandoned this interpretation in July 1965 in favor of teaching that the doctrine of the Trinity was the three unclean spirits of Revelation 16:13. <ref>’’Where was trinitarianism born at? Remember, "three unclean spirits," individual spirits. Are you getting it? Notice, they look back to the Nicaea Council where the trinity doctrine was born at, not in the Bible…. at Nicaea, Rome," when them three unclean spirits went out of the dragon, the false prophets, and so forth. [when they said] "We believe there is a trinity of Gods."  (July 25, 1965, Jeffersonville, Indiana).</ref>   
If you believe that William Branham was an infallible teacher and prophet, you will have to choose which of these interpretations is correct…or more importantly, which one is wrong.   
If you believe that William Branham was an infallible teacher and prophet, you will have to choose which of these interpretations is correct…or more importantly, which one is wrong.   


===Changes in the prophecy over time===
==Changes in the prophecy over time==
The prophecy was written down, so each retelling of it should have been consistent.  Changes include whether an ism would burn the Vatican, whether communism would wind up in Rome, and whether these isms represented the three unclean spirits of Revelation 16:13 – none of which made it into the Church Ages book.   
 
The prophecy was written down, so each retelling of it should have been consistent.  Changes include whether an ism would burn the Vatican, whether communism would wind up in Rome, and whether these isms represented the three unclean spirits of Revelation 16:13 – none of which made it into the Church Ages book.  
   
*1953: Three isms will wind up in one ism, which will burn the Vatican City. <ref> ''And I said, "There'll be three great isms, Communism, Fascism, and Nazism." And I said, "They'll wind up in one ism, and that one ism will dominate the world and will burn the Vatican City." You remember me saying that years and years and years ago. And just exactly that way.'' (March 26, 1936, Jeffersonville, Indiana)</ref>
*1953: Three isms will wind up in one ism, which will burn the Vatican City. <ref> ''And I said, "There'll be three great isms, Communism, Fascism, and Nazism." And I said, "They'll wind up in one ism, and that one ism will dominate the world and will burn the Vatican City." You remember me saying that years and years and years ago. And just exactly that way.'' (March 26, 1936, Jeffersonville, Indiana)</ref>
*1954: Three isms will head into one ism (the king of the north), that will bring a persecution that would send Jesus Christ to the earth again.  <ref>''There'll be three isms. And they'd all heap up in one ism, and that ism will bring forth a persecution that would send Jesus Christ to the earth again." That's exactly so. That was Communism, and--and Hitler and--and Nazi, and so forth; and how that Fascism of Mussolini, and Hitler, and Stalin. I said, "One of them will take the place of it. I don't know which one it'll be, but I believe it'll be the king of the north."'' (January 3, 1954, Jeffersonville, Indiana)</ref>
*1954: Three isms will head into one ism (the king of the north), that will bring a persecution that would send Jesus Christ to the earth again.  <ref>''There'll be three isms. And they'd all heap up in one ism, and that ism will bring forth a persecution that would send Jesus Christ to the earth again." That's exactly so. That was Communism, and--and Hitler and--and Nazi, and so forth; and how that Fascism of Mussolini, and Hitler, and Stalin. I said, "One of them will take the place of it. I don't know which one it'll be, but I believe it'll be the king of the north."'' (January 3, 1954, Jeffersonville, Indiana)</ref>
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*1964: Prophecy was written in a book that three isms would wind up in Communism, and destroy Catholicism. <ref>''In my book in there, that I keep wrote down. In 1933, one morning, fixing to go to Sunday school, a Baptist Sunday school where I was pastor, the Holy Spirit come and showed me down to the end time, and showed me seven things that would happen. I marked them down. It's on old yellow paper...And I said, "There is three isms; Communism, Facism, and Nazism. They'll all wind up out of Russia, in Communism." And it will destroy Catholicism. See if it don't!''</ref> (March 21, 1964, Denham Springs, Louisiana) </ref>
*1964: Prophecy was written in a book that three isms would wind up in Communism, and destroy Catholicism. <ref>''In my book in there, that I keep wrote down. In 1933, one morning, fixing to go to Sunday school, a Baptist Sunday school where I was pastor, the Holy Spirit come and showed me down to the end time, and showed me seven things that would happen. I marked them down. It's on old yellow paper...And I said, "There is three isms; Communism, Facism, and Nazism. They'll all wind up out of Russia, in Communism." And it will destroy Catholicism. See if it don't!''</ref> (March 21, 1964, Denham Springs, Louisiana) </ref>
*Church Age Book: Three isms would be swallowed up into Communism, and to watch Russia.  <ref>''The third vision was in the realm of world politics for it showed me that there would be three great isms, Facism, Nazism, Communism, but that the first two would be swallowed up into the third. The voice admonished, "WATCH RUSSIA, WATCH RUSSIA. Keep your eye on the King of the North." ''(Laodicean Church Age Book</ref>
*Church Age Book: Three isms would be swallowed up into Communism, and to watch Russia.  <ref>''The third vision was in the realm of world politics for it showed me that there would be three great isms, Facism, Nazism, Communism, but that the first two would be swallowed up into the third. The voice admonished, "WATCH RUSSIA, WATCH RUSSIA. Keep your eye on the King of the North." ''(Laodicean Church Age Book</ref>
==1955 and 1964 retelling of the 1933 prophecy==
<mediaplayer height= 50>Faith Once Delivered To The Saints, 1955|three isms 55-0501.mp3</mediaplayer>
:''Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, I said, 'Now, there's going to be three great isms. Which is now in existence. One of them is in Rome, which is--is Fascism, and one of them is in Germany which is Nazi--Nazism. And the other one is in Russia, which is communism.' I said, ''''Those three great isms is the unclean spirits''' that went out of the mouth of the false prophet, and the dragons, and so forth that '''will unite themselves together''', speaking things that they should not, and they'll all beat at one another, '''until they'll finally wind up in one ism'''. And I predict that that will be communism.'''  (See the sermon [http://www.nathan.co.za/message.asp?sermonum=243 Faith Once Delivered To The Saints, 1955] for the full text of this prophecy.)
:''The third vision was in the realm of world politics for it showed me that there would be three great ISMS, Facism, Nazism, Communism, but that the first two would be swallowed up into the third. The voice admonished, "WATCH RUSSIA, WATCH RUSSIA. Keep your eye on the King of the North.''  (Taken from Chapter 9 of the Church Ages Book (the Laodicean Church Age), William Branham)
==Problems with the prophecy==


==Definitions==
==Definitions==