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Let's address the specific examples provided by VoGR: | Let's address the specific examples provided by VoGR: | ||
===Differences in Paul's Conversion Experiences=== | ===Differences in Paul's Conversion Experiences=== | ||
Message ministers don't understand Greek. In fact, they like to mock those that study it (for example, listen to Vin Dayal's sermon of January 13, 2013). For them, perhaps ignorance is bliss. But if you were a non-English speaker, how could you really hope to understand what William Branham is really saying if you don't speak English? And what if the translator was translating into your mother toungue but using language from 400 years ago? Do you understand that there might be a bit of a problem? | Message ministers don't understand Greek. In fact, they like to mock and scoff those that study it (for example, listen to Vin Dayal's sermon of January 13, 2013). For them, perhaps ignorance is bliss. But if you were a non-English speaker, how could you really hope to understand what William Branham is really saying if you don't speak English? And what if the translator was translating into your mother toungue but using language from 400 years ago? Do you understand that there might be a bit of a problem? | ||
But for those of you who might be curious, here is something to ponder. | But for those of you who might be curious, here is something to ponder. | ||
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===400 Years or 430 years?=== | ===400 Years or 430 years?=== | ||
The Old Testament (Genesis 15:13) and the New Testament (Acts 7:6) both agree that Abraham’s offspring would dwell in a foreign land, and would be afflicted. The term of this is 400 years, and either refers to 400 years of slavery, or from the date of the prophecy until the end of the slavery. | |||
The Old Testament (Exodus 12:40) also states that the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was 430 years. The New Testament then confirms that the law came 430 years after God’s covenant with Abraham about his offspring (Galatians 3:16-17). | |||
Both the 400 year period and the 430 year period end with the exodus from Egypt (Genesis 15:14, Exodus 12:41), after which they head straight to Mt. Sinai to receive the law. The difference between the 400 year and 430 year periods is two different important starting events, 30 years apart from each other. | |||
'''400 Years of Slavery''' | |||
The position of some ancient Jewish rabbis is that Genesis 15:13 speaks of Israel’s affliction in Egypt and Exodus 12:40 speaks of the longer gap of their sojourning (i.e. they were not afflicted immediately, but only after a Pharaoh came to power who did not know Joseph). Hence, this latter span includes the additional 30 years. | |||
'''400 Years until the completion of the prophecy''' | |||
God’s covenant with Abraham marks the start of the 430 year period (Galatians 3), after which Isaac was born 25 years later. The 400 year period of suffering would have then started with the sacrifice of Isaac on Mount Moriah. Isaac, the son of promise, is a type of Jesus Christ and a representative of the affliction that the Son of God would eventually endure. | |||
Here are two reasonable explainations (one Jewish, and the other Christian) which are provided as to why no real issue problem exists between Genesis 15:13 (“400 years”) and Exodus 12:40 (“430 years”). | |||
===Differences in the Gospel Accounts=== | ===Differences in the Gospel Accounts=== | ||
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The closest, most critical, examination of these narratives throughout the ages has never destroyed and can never destroy their powerful testimony to the truth that Christ did rise from the dead on the third day, and was seen of many. | The closest, most critical, examination of these narratives throughout the ages has never destroyed and can never destroy their powerful testimony to the truth that Christ did rise from the dead on the third day, and was seen of many. | ||
=Why a Comparison to William Branham's Failed Prophecies is a | |||
==Jonah prophesied against Nineveh but it was not destroyed== | |||
Jonah prophesied against Nineveh saying that it would be destroyed but but it wasn't. Similarly William Branham prophesied certain things and they didn't come to pass. God works that way sometimes. | |||
The problem with this explanation is that it is done without a true knowledge of the scripture. | |||
God told Jeremiah: | |||
:''At one moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to uproot, to pull down, or to destroy it; if that nation against which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to bring on it.'' Jeremiah 18:7–8 (NASB95) | |||
So God has clearly outlined the conditions under which a "Thus Saith The Lord" prophecy will not come to pass. But those conditions do not apply to ANY of William Branham's failed prophesies. | |||
[[The Municipal Bridge Vision]] involves a vision which William Branham said was fulfilled. The problem is that it was not fulfilled. How can you compare that with Jonah and Nineveh? | |||
The real problem, '''the Biblical problem''', with William Branham's unfulfilled visions is Deuteronomy 18:22. | |||
:''When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.'' Deut 18:22(NASB) | |||
William Branham agreed with this being the Biblical standard. | |||
:''But we both know that the visions God gives me NEVER FAIL. NOT ONCE. If anyone can prove a vision ever failed I want to know about it. Now that you follow me this far here is my story.'' | |||
:::PERGAMEAN CHURCH AGE - CHURCH AGE BOOK CPT 5 | |||
:''"If there be a prophet among you, or one who professes to be, and what he says doesn't come to pass, then don't you fear him. It's not right. But if the Lord has spoke to him, He will bring it to pass." See? That's the way you will know it. God give us instructions whether to know. Where we don't have to presume anything, nothing. You don't have to just imagine; you can have an experience to know it. Yes, sir.'' | |||
:::PRESUMING PHOENIX.AZ WEDNESDAY 62-0117 | |||
:''He said here was the test of a prophet: if a prophet prophesied, and that what he said come to pass, then hear him. But if it don't come to pass, then God hasn't spoke. That's all. So don't--don't fear him. That's right. "If there be one among you who's spiritual or a prophet, I, the Lord God, will make myself known unto him in visions, speak to him in dreams. And if it comes to pass, then I--that's Me speaking." Sure, God ain't going to lie. You know He can't lie there's nothing in Him to lie. He's the Fountain of all purity, all truth, is God. So it can't be a lie come from God. He's perfect, pure.'' | |||
:::THE SIGNS OF HIS COMING CLEVELAND TN SATURDAY 62-0407 | |||
=Why a Comparison to William Branham's Failed Prophecies is a Smokescreen= | |||
The issues in the failed or flawed prophecies of William Branham are completely different from the two issues raised above. | The issues in the failed or flawed prophecies of William Branham are completely different from the two issues raised above. | ||
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Those that state that some of the failed prophesies of William Branham are comparable to that of Jonah's failed prophecy similarly fail to understand the principles of Biblical prophecy. | Those that state that some of the failed prophesies of William Branham are comparable to that of Jonah's failed prophecy similarly fail to understand the principles of Biblical prophecy. | ||
So to VoGR, Ed Byskal, Vin Dayal and others who are using these red herring arguments to overcome their own [[Cognitive Dissonance]], please go back and address the issues we raise with each of the failed prophecies | So to VoGR, Ed Byskal, Vin Dayal and others who are using these red herring arguments to overcome their own [[Cognitive Dissonance]], please go back and address the issues we raise with each of the failed prophecies. We want this website to reflect only one thing - the truth. | ||
=References= | =References= | ||