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 =Question 35 - The Eagle and The Prophet=
+Dear ABM,
+I am enjoying our dialogue.  You indicated that you were not trying to change my mind, and my primary intention is not to get you to renounce William Branham as a prophet.  However, I am interesting in engaging in a dialogue that will cause those in the message to have a better understanding as to why many are leaving and will continue to leave.  I also think that our case against William Branham is very strong and want to ensure that our conclusions have been vetted by someone who follows William Branham.  While many in the message have written off our views as trivial and not being able to withstand scrutiny, what we have found in practice is that message ministers almost as a whole have not examined our concerns in any serious way and this is a significant disservice to those in their congregations.  I hope that our dialogue will cause some message ministers to more closely examine our concerns.
+I have stated that William Branham was a persistent liar with respect to many experiences that he related over the pulpit, and I will likely get back to additional examples of this later.  You prefer to use the word "exaggerate" but you also have stated that you understand why I believe William Branham lied.
+You have also stated that you are prepared to overlook William Branham's "lies" because of the doctrinal truth of his teachings and that they can be tied back to the Bible.  In your words:
+:''If I were to filter everything concerning Bro. Branham and put it into piles: one pile of exaggerations, one pile of proven truth, one pile of uncertainty, for me the pile of truth is a mountain compared to the other two. While your questions and positions are certainly thought-provoking and many, and maybe some of them cause me to adjust my piles a bit, I still feel like I am looking at a mountain of truth.
+I would like to look at one of William Branham's fundamental positions which I believe has no basis in the Bible.  This is a doctrine that is especially loved by message followers - the significante of the eagle.  This is reflected in some message followers penchant to wear eagle belt buckles.
 William Branham stated many times (see the list of quotes below) that the Bible compared God's prophets to eagles.  However, he never provided one scriptural example of where this was the case.  Here are a few of William Branham's quotes on the subject of eagles and prophets:
-:''“Before God moves to action, like He did in the days of Noah, he sent forth an Eagle.  When he brought Israel, and Pharaoh’s army was ready to go, He sent an eagle.  Every time, He sends an eagle at the last, end of it.  And here He sends an eagle, again.”'' (William Branham, the [[Fifth Seal]])
+:''“Before God moves to action, like He did in the days of Noah, he sent forth an Eagle.  When he brought Israel, and Pharaoh’s army was ready to go, He sent an eagle.  Every time, He sends an eagle at the last, end of it.  And here He sends an eagle, again.”'' (63-0322)<ref>63-0322, The [[Fifth Seal]]</ref>
-:''A prophet in the Bible is a eagle. He goes higher than other birds, and he can see way off, things coming.<ref>HEAR.YE.HIM_  CHATTANOOGA.TN  SATURDAY_  58-0301E</ref>
+:''A prophet in the Bible is a eagle. He goes higher than other birds, and he can see way off, things coming.  (58-0301E)<ref>HEAR.YE.HIM_  CHATTANOOGA.TN  SATURDAY_  58-0301E</ref>
-:''The Bible likens His prophets to being eagles. Now, a eagle can soar higher than any other bird. If another bird tries to follow an eagle, he'd die, because he--he--the eagle's made special, and he can go so high if the hawk trying to follow him, the hawk would disintegrate in the air. He just couldn't follow him; his feathers would fall out; he'd come apart. But the eagle is a special bird. Now, what good would it do him to go way up there in the air unless he could see way off? He'd be blind himself. But see, nature has provided the eagle with an eye that he can see as high till you can hardly see the eagle yourself: some of them fourteen feet across their wings. You can hardly see the eagle with your eye. But he can see any little moving object on the ground. Now, God likened His prophets, His preachers, to eagles. He calls Himself, "Jehovah Eagle." He's a eagle Himself.<ref>FORMER.AND.LATTER.RAIN_  PHOENIX.AZ  THURSDAY_  60-0303</ref>
+:''The Bible likens His prophets to being eagles. Now, a eagle can soar higher than any other bird. If another bird tries to follow an eagle, he'd die, because he--he--the eagle's made special, and he can go so high if the hawk trying to follow him, the hawk would disintegrate in the air. He just couldn't follow him; his feathers would fall out; he'd come apart. But the eagle is a special bird. Now, what good would it do him to go way up there in the air unless he could see way off? He'd be blind himself. But see, nature has provided the eagle with an eye that he can see as high till you can hardly see the eagle yourself: some of them fourteen feet across their wings. You can hardly see the eagle with your eye. But he can see any little moving object on the ground. Now, God likened His prophets, His preachers, to eagles. He calls Himself, "Jehovah Eagle." He's a eagle Himself.(60-0303)<ref>FORMER.AND.LATTER.RAIN_  PHOENIX.AZ  THURSDAY_  60-0303</ref>
-:''In the Bible His prophets was considered eagles. The eagle, how it would... It could climb higher than any other bird.<ref>WATCHMAN.WHAT.OF.THE.NIGHT_  LAKEPORT.CA  FRIDAY_  60-0722</ref>
+:''In the Bible His prophets was considered eagles. The eagle, how it would... It could climb higher than any other bird.(60-0722)<ref>WATCHMAN.WHAT.OF.THE.NIGHT_  LAKEPORT.CA  FRIDAY_  60-0722</ref>
-:''You know, Jehovah is an eagle, Himself, and He calls us eaglets. His prophets are eagles, seers.<ref>WHO.IS.JESUS_  TOPEKA.KS  V-20 N-4  SATURDAY_  64-0620B</ref>
+:''You know, Jehovah is an eagle, Himself, and He calls us eaglets. His prophets are eagles, seers. (64-0620B)<ref>WHO.IS.JESUS_  TOPEKA.KS  V-20 N-4  SATURDAY_  64-0620B</ref>
-:''Now God always likens His prophets to eagles. <ref>THE.GOD.WHO.IS.RICH.IN.MERCY_  PHOENIX.AZ  V-19 N-2  TUESDAY_  65-0119</ref>
+:''Now God always likens His prophets to eagles. (65-0119) <ref>THE.GOD.WHO.IS.RICH.IN.MERCY_  PHOENIX.AZ  V-19 N-2  TUESDAY_  65-0119</ref>
-:''Everyone knows that a prophet is called the eagle, in the Bible.<ref>WHO.IS.THIS.MELCHISEDEC_  JEFF.IN  V-5 N-10  SUNDAY_  65-0221E</ref>
+:''Everyone knows that a prophet is called the eagle, in the Bible. (65*0221E)<ref>WHO.IS.THIS.MELCHISEDEC_  JEFF.IN  V-5 N-10  SUNDAY_  65-0221E</ref>
 ==What the Bible says==
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 #Revelation 4:7
 #Revelation 12:14
 ===The eagle is an unclean bird===
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 :''These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are '''unclean: the eagle''', the vulture, the black vulture...<ref>The New International Version (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2011), Le 11:13–19.</ref>
-==William Branham blows the science... again==
+===William Branham blows the science... again===
 We have previously shown that William Branham had a completely erroneous view of many issues related to science.  This is another example.
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 Eagles are not found in any of the records for highest flying birds.
+==The Question==
+To reiterate, the eagle is NEVER used as a reference to prophetic wisdom or vision.  It is not a type of a prophet in scripture.  There are ZERO prophets or seers that are likened to an eagle.
+William Branham states the following, all of which are not biblical:
+*"Before God moves to action, like He did in the days of Noah, he sent forth an Eagle.'' - '''there is nothing in the Bible to substantiate this.'''
+*''A prophet in the Bible is a eagle.'' - '''This is simply not true.'''
+*''The Bible likens His prophets to being eagles.'' - '''This is false.'''
+*''Everyone knows that a prophet is called the eagle, in the Bible.'' - '''Actually, anyone who does know the Bible is aware that this statement is false.'''
+An old friend of our family, William Booth-Clibborn, once told William Branham, "Brother Branham, you just don’t know your Bible.” (61-0218 - Balm In Gilead) . I personally think his statement was correct.  William Branham's understanding of scripture was significantly flawed.  He was a fan of proof texts and would take passages of the Bible completely out of context to support his own views.  He would read his thoughts into the Bible rather allowing scripture to speak from the plain meaning of the text.
+The example of the eagle and the prophet is a clear example of William Branham's teaching being in disagreement with the Bible.
+My question is - if William Branham could be so off base in a simple concept like this - what the Bible means when it refers to eagles - why should I trust him in his other scriptural interpretation?