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    The following is a master list of all of the issues and problems that have been raised with respect to William Branham and his message.  If you are aware of any errors/problems/concerns that are not on this list, please let us know [[Contact information|by email]] or by [https://www.facebook.com/BelieveTheSign a message to us on our Facebook page].
     
    The purpose of this list is to provide a short concise summary of all known issues that can be used as a quick reference guide when discussing these issues.  Our aim is to have a detailed explanation for each issue when you click on them.  To the extent that the specific issue does not link to anything, it simply means we have not had the time to provide a detailed explanation as yet.
     
    =Step One - Take a deep breath=
     
    If you are a message believer, the lists below are going to raise a lot of questions.  But just take your time.  Think about the questions that we are raising and the facts that we are presenting.
     
    We are not expecting you to believe anything just because we are saying it.  But we have provided quotes and references to back up all of our facts and observations.  Study these things out for yourself.
     
    To the extent anyone in the message has sought to provide us with an explanation for, or solution to, a specific problem or issue that we have raised, we have listed these in the discussion of the issue.  There have not been a lot of explanations to date that have been sent to us, and most of them are easily identified as being the product of [[Cognitive Dissonance]] (if you don't know what that is, please click on the link).
     
    Finally, don't be afraid.  The opposite of love is [[If you need help#If you are afraid|not hate, but fear]].  If you have doubts, they need to be resolved, and the only way to do that is to find out the truth.  We wished that we had known these things years ago.  And we are presenting them here so that you don't have to spend the years researching these issues that we did.
     
    =Problems with Prophecies=
     
    *[[The Municipal Bridge Vision]]
    *[[The Brown Bear Vision]]
    *[[The Vision of the Meetings in South Africa]]
    *[[Heavenly Vision|His Commission by a Heavenly Vision]]'''
    *[[Prophecy of the Cloud]]
    *[[The Marilyn Monroe Vision]]
    *The Seven Visions of  1933
    **[[Franklin D. Roosevelt]]
    **[[Mussolini invades Ethiopia]]
    **[[Hitler and WWII]]'''
    **[[Russia and the three ...isms]]
    **[[Driverless Cars]]
    **[[Morality|The Morality of Women]]
    **[[Rise of a Woman in America]]
    **[[America in Ashes]]
    *[[Man and the moon|Man will never land on the moon... well, the communists might]]
    *[[New Albany Prophecy]]
    *[[Ohio River flood of 1937|Ohio river flood]]
    *[[The Pillar of Fire]]
    *[[Kari Holma]] - The boy raised from the dead in Finland
    *[[World Council of Churches]]
    *[[Destruction of Los Angeles]]
    *[[Florida under water]]
    *[[Destruction of the Vatican]]
    *[[The Seventh Angel is on the Earth at Christ's Coming]]
    *[[Was the birth of Joseph Branham foretold]]
    *[[Death of Rose Shakarian]]
     
    =General Credibility Issues=
     
    *[[Plagiarism]]
    *[[The Cloud]]
    *[[Prophecy of the Cloud]]
    *[[Rattlesnake Mesa]]
    *[[Roy Davis|When did William Branham embrace Pentecostalism?]]
    *[[Was William Branham Honest|The Explanation for His Poor Grammar]]
    *[[1933 Ohio River Experience|The Voice on the Ohio River in 1933]]
    *[[The Man from Windsor]]
    *Changes to [[Congressman Upshaw]]'s story
    *The [[Donny Morton]] story
    *The story of [[King George VI]]
    *[[William Branham Speaking as God|William Branham messes up as God speaks through him]]
    *[[The Rock Where Moses Stood|God moved the rock that Moses stood on to the Arizona desert in 1964]]
    *[[The Houston Photograph]]
    *[[The Nazarite Birth]] of William Branham
    *[[The Amber Light]]
    *[[Hope Branham's Nurse]]
     
    =Doctrinal/Biblical Issues=
     
    *[[Twisted Theology]]
    *[[Lazy Theology]]
    *[[Three holy words]] of the Bible
    *His reasons for rejecting of [[Eternal Sonship]]
    *The difference in meaning of [[Q&A on the Godhead#Eternal vs. Everlasting|Eternal vs. Everlasting]]
    *Sex was not in God's original plan
    *Woman was designed by Satan
    *[[Water baptism]]
    *[[The Godhead]]
    *[[The Serpent's Seed]]
    *[[Matthew 17:11]]
    *[[The Fulfillment of Malachi 4:5]]
    *WMB's view of what [[Three Persons]] means in the context of the doctrine of the Trinity.
    *[[Enoch and Noah#The Seventh from Adam|Enoch being the seventh from Adam]] is proof of the Serpent Seed doctrine
    *[[Michael the Archangel]]
    *[[Reading between the lines]]
    *God only deals with one prophet at a time,
    *[[Enoch and Noah|Noah started building the ark after he saw Enoch go in a Rapture]]
    *[[Enoch and Noah|Enoch was a type of the wise virgin, and Noah was a type of the foolish virgin]]
    *[[The Importance of a Seven-Lettered Name]]
    *[[Illegitimate children]] cannot be part of the rapture.
    *"That which is perfect has come"
    *The Evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is believing the message
    *One of the chief mysteries of the last days is to receive Holy Spirit without sensation
    *[[Christians that were required to believe Satanic doctrine]]
    *[[The Importance of a Seven-Lettered Name]]
    *Tithes goes to the ministers
    *Can't use tithes to build a church
    *God's three Bibles
    *For a person to be qualified for the ministry, they have to marry a virgin.
    *Mixed Race Marriages.
    *For a women to have long hair is not good enough; it must be uncut (i.e. no trimming of split ends).
    *[[Marriage and Divorce|If your wife cuts her hair, you can divorce her]].
    *God doesn't hear the prayer of a woman that has cut her hair.
    *[[Marriage and Divorce|A man can remarry after divorce but a woman can't]]
    *[[Destruction of Los Angeles|Capernaum is under the sea]]
    *Necromancy – WMB talked to his dead wife/daughter “contact dead spirit in the world of the dead”. The talk with Hope & Sharon and the chair in heaven that will never be taken away.
    *The worship of the angel – WMB fell face down before the angel – Why does the angel not rebuke him? He just vanishes
    *The Pyramid and Zodiac doctrines
    *Major Prophets were never to be judged. WMB reckoned himself in this group - What to do when he speaks error? Accept it anyhow?
    *Never were there two Major Prophets in ministry at the same time.  Was WMB simply trying to discount the relevancy of other ministries?
    *[[Destruction of Los Angeles#Pearry Green's Testimony]] - Billy Paul won’t be an old man before ‘sharks swim’ through LA (That BP has himself affirmed this)
    *Jesus never said he was the Son of God, always the Son of Man. (Any serious need to teach this?)
    *“You can have the baptism of the Holy Ghost every hour in your life, and still be lost and go to hell. The Bible says so. Uh-huh, that's exactly right.” 65-1207  LEADERSHIP. (Did he use the word ‘baptism’ in a different context?  Possibly referring to the anointing that could fall on anyone?)
    *John never wept because there was no one worthy to open the book. (The bible is clear on why he wept)
    *“Gifts and callings are without repentance. “ – was his interpretation an ‘innocent’ one? Or simply a ‘private interpretation’?
    *Meaning of El Shaddai. According to WMB it means “the breasted GOD.” – Possible sacrilege?
    *Prayer cards, were they really needed in prayer? (Any evidence that it served more than just control the crowds?)
    *Seventy Weeks of Daniel – Seven years remaining or 3½years. (Was he referring to the prophetic ministry that is meant to take 3½ years only when he reverted to that teaching?)
    *He married his brothers/sisters and remarried them after divorce.
    *Speaking in tongues. This is no more seen.  (It was a promise by Christ and was manifested in the early church) – where did this “Mystery of receiving the Holy Ghost without sensation” come from.
    *The charge of legalism. Women’s Hair/dressing and so forth.
    *Adding to scripture is a serious error. Is Intentional illustration (joining dots) considered an addition?
    *“Wheresoever the carcase is, there the eagles will gather” – is this ‘carcase’ “Christ the word” really?
    *His statement that you can join a Masonic lodge as long as you remain a Christian. (???)
    *What was this issue of “revise them a little” on old prophecies? (Retelling constantly changes)
    *CAB version of 1977 prediction is seriously out of place. Was there any real need to mention dates in reference to the return of Christ?
    *Did his uninformed comments on scientific matters indicate an underlying problem? “Man has one rib less”, “man will never get to the moon”, “The earth is square”, “The sun stood still”, “The lowest form of life is a frog”. Etc
    *Irenaeus was a Catholic Bishop. How he ended up as one of the church messenger, given WMBs stand on the cahtolic church defies logic.
     
    =Other Issues Relating to William Branham's Message=
    *[[Hagin Prophecy|Kenneth Hagin's Prophecy]]
    *The sun revolves around the earth
    *Enoch built the Great Pyramid
    *The Earth has four corners
    *Women have one less rib than men
     
    =Doctrinal/Biblical Issues Taught by Message Churches=
     
    These doctrines were not specifically taught by William Branham (or at least we have not found quotes yet) but are widely held by Message ministers/believers and are taught in message churches.
     
    *The use of red herring arguments when [[Failed Prophecies]] are pointed out (see video)
    *[[Progressive_Revelation|The doctrine of progressive revelation]]
    *[[Acts 3:21]]
    *Only ministers can handle the Word.
    *Your Pastor will take you through.
    *The Message is our Absolute.  In other words - ''William Branham said it, I believe it, that settles it.''
    *The Pastor is our Absolute or Your Pastor in his Office is always right.
    *Diminishing the Life and Ministry of Jesus Christ of two thousand years ago, as a result of Promoting the Jesus Christ of Today.
    *The focus on the message, removes the focus from the bible.
    *Rapturing Faith in on the Tapes.
    *Don't question. Don't argue. Don't Debate. Don't Discuss. Just give them a message book.
    *If they're Seed...
    *The church is the wife, the husband is the pastor
    *The KJV is the only inspired translation of the Bible.
    *"programs" are of the devil, so no-one does anything to help others through the church.
    *Missions are for people overseas, not the homeless down the street.
    *It's OK to preach against other churches who don't have the mighty revelation.
    *Deacons are glorified ushers and no longer redistribute wealth to the poor.
    *There's no higher order to reveal the Word than a prophet. The following is a quote of Luke Gibson - ''that is an elementary teaching in this message and a close look at the scriptures will declare God always reveals His Word by prophets (Amos 3:7)''.
    *Education is of the devil... but I know more than other Christians.
    *Everyone outside the message is foolish virgin
     
    =Message believers don't believe these WMB teachings=
     
    There are a few things that William Braham taught that followers of William Branham simply do not believe in any practical sense.
     
    *[[The Importance of a Right Spirit]]
     
     
     
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