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The Off The Shelf podcast did a http://offtheshelf.life/podcast/episode-42-how-to-defend-william-branham-poorly-part-1/ 5 episode series commenting on Pastor Wisper Gwena's defense of William Branham. | The Off The Shelf podcast did a [http://offtheshelf.life/podcast/episode-42-how-to-defend-william-branham-poorly-part-1/ 5 episode series commenting on Pastor Wisper Gwena's defense of William Branham.] Pastor Gwena is a pastor of a message congregation in North London, UK. | ||
Pastor Gwena responded in a series of comments on the podcast website, which we have provided for our readers below. | Pastor Gwena responded in a series of comments on the podcast website, which we have provided for our readers below. We have also included our comments below. | ||
More importantly, we have added Pastor Gwena's use of red herrings to our article on the subject which you can read by clicking [[Failed Prophecies#Pastor Wisper Gwena's use of the red herring|here.]] | |||
=A response to Pastor Gwena= | =A response to Pastor Gwena= | ||
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:''Coming to cognitive dissonance, this is a well known psychology theory. This theory is not about message believers trying to defend the Prophet as you almost try and make it sound. The theory suggests that people have an inner drive to hold their beliefs (cognitions) and attitudes in harmony and avoid disharmony (dissonance). This belief spoken of here is ANY belief NOT just a message belief as you try and potray. You people now hold a firm cognition (belief) that Bro Branham was a false prophet. This belief is so deep entrenched in you that you think anyone that does not see what you see is deluded. You fight for your belief so much until you have dedicated websites, podcasts, hours and hours of time to try and defend your belief and spread your beliefs. Anyone that comes against your beliefs you accuse them of cognitive dissonance YET YOU DON'T REALISE THAT YOU YOURSELVES ARE IN COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. You say where are we in dissonance, deep within you there are somethings that you know that these were supernatural in the life of Bro Branham. Your website Rod carries the testimony of Charlie Mitchel who Bro Branham discerned accurately in the sermon This Day This Scripture Is Fulfilled. No prayer cards had been given in that service so Bro Branham could not have been reading prayer cards as some may be deluded to want to say. People went to ask Charlie if they had a previous encounter with Bro Branham and he confirmed there was none. People then asked him what he had done to be called out in discernment and he said in his own words “I just gave up this whole world and take Jesus”. His lung cancer was instantly healed and he went to 2 separate specialist who confirmed he no longer had cancer. THIS TESTIMONY IS ON YOUR OWN WEBSITE ROD. So you know there was a supernatural that was undeniable in the life of WMB. This knowledge is there at the back of your soul but because you now hold a firm belief that Bro Branham was false, you now go into cognitive dissonance. The result is you dedicate a life to try and disprove God's Prophet. Those are the TYPICAL SIGNS OF COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. | :''Coming to cognitive dissonance, this is a well known psychology theory. This theory is not about message believers trying to defend the Prophet as you almost try and make it sound. The theory suggests that people have an inner drive to hold their beliefs (cognitions) and attitudes in harmony and avoid disharmony (dissonance). This belief spoken of here is ANY belief NOT just a message belief as you try and potray. You people now hold a firm cognition (belief) that Bro Branham was a false prophet. This belief is so deep entrenched in you that you think anyone that does not see what you see is deluded. You fight for your belief so much until you have dedicated websites, podcasts, hours and hours of time to try and defend your belief and spread your beliefs. Anyone that comes against your beliefs you accuse them of cognitive dissonance YET YOU DON'T REALISE THAT YOU YOURSELVES ARE IN COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. You say where are we in dissonance, deep within you there are somethings that you know that these were supernatural in the life of Bro Branham. Your website Rod carries the testimony of Charlie Mitchel who Bro Branham discerned accurately in the sermon This Day This Scripture Is Fulfilled. No prayer cards had been given in that service so Bro Branham could not have been reading prayer cards as some may be deluded to want to say. People went to ask Charlie if they had a previous encounter with Bro Branham and he confirmed there was none. People then asked him what he had done to be called out in discernment and he said in his own words “I just gave up this whole world and take Jesus”. His lung cancer was instantly healed and he went to 2 separate specialist who confirmed he no longer had cancer. THIS TESTIMONY IS ON YOUR OWN WEBSITE ROD. So you know there was a supernatural that was undeniable in the life of WMB. This knowledge is there at the back of your soul but because you now hold a firm belief that Bro Branham was false, you now go into cognitive dissonance. The result is you dedicate a life to try and disprove God's Prophet. Those are the TYPICAL SIGNS OF COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. | ||
::The title of Dr. Festinger's book is "WHEN | ::The title of Dr. Festinger's book is "WHEN PROPHECY FAILS" which describes EXACTLY what has happened to you. One of the things required for more fervent belief to occur is this "undeniable disconfirmatory evidence must occur." That is what our evidence with respect to the failed visions is - disconfirmatory evidence. By definition, it creates cognitive dissonance. | ||
:''Let me drop this here – Charlie Mitchel said he gave up the whole world and TOOK JESUS. When he took Jesus, Bro Branham was directed to him in discernment and his cancer disappeared. Charlie TOOK JESUS and that Jesus responded through a prophet whom you now want to call FALSE – Please let's be honest in heart !!! If there are things we don't understand let us just say there are things we don't understand and wait for God to clear them for us. | :''Let me drop this here – Charlie Mitchel said he gave up the whole world and TOOK JESUS. When he took Jesus, Bro Branham was directed to him in discernment and his cancer disappeared. Charlie TOOK JESUS and that Jesus responded through a prophet whom you now want to call FALSE – Please let's be honest in heart !!! If there are things we don't understand let us just say there are things we don't understand and wait for God to clear them for us. | ||
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Thanks and God bless you | Thanks and God bless you | ||
Tony | Tony B. | ||
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Pastor Gwena, I advise you to read your Bible more closely. Please! | |||
1 Kings 21:27-28: ''Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite: “Have you noticed how Ahab has humbled himself before me? Because he has humbled himself, I will not bring this disaster in his day, but I will bring it on his house in the days of his son.”'' | |||
Verses 28-29 eloquently explains why Elijah never got to anoint Jehu. God postponed execution of plan A. | |||
God heard Ahab’s plea. It’s a shame you insist on this futile mission of bashing the Bible, Pastor Gwena. | |||
What’s now in question is your competence in regards to rightly handling the word of truth. Prophecy lays out intentions of God. This was to remove Ahab and his family (! Kings 21:17-28) | |||
Teaching heresies, making the Bible lie. | |||
Take off those message goggles; you'll read The Bible more clearly. | |||
Tony M. | |||
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