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Did this event ever take place?  Watch the video and read the details below to make up your own mind.
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<div style="border-bottom:2px #B87333 solid; text-align:left; padding:1px; margin:1px;"><font color='#800000' size='+1'>'''The Voice on the Ohio River'''.</font>  </div>
<div style="border-bottom:2px #B87333 solid; text-align:left; padding:1px; margin:1px;"><font color='#800000' size='+1'>'''The Voice on the Ohio River'''.</font>  </div>


<mediaplayer width='800' height='300'>http://youtu.be/Zcx7KVwizew</mediaplayer>
<mediaplayer>http://youtu.be/Zcx7KVwizew</mediaplayer>


[[Image:Image-rs-038 - Br Br baptizing in Ohio River.jpg|thumb|right|250px|William Branham baptising on the Ohio River]]
=What William Branham and his followers believe=


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[[Image:Image-rs-038 - Br Br baptizing in Ohio River.jpg|thumb|right|250px|William Branham baptising on the Ohio River]]
In the Tract, [[Life Story Tract|''"Jesus Christ the Same, Yesterday, Today and Forever"'']], William Branham first tells of a light appearing on the Ohio River in 1933:
In the Tract, [[Life Story Tract|''"Jesus Christ the Same, Yesterday, Today and Forever"'']], William Branham first tells of a light appearing on the Ohio River in 1933:


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In his book, Twentieth Century Prophet, Lee Vayle writes:
In his book, Twentieth Century Prophet, Lee Vayle writes:


:''It was during June of 1933 that as he was baptizing the converts in the Ohio River that a most amazing and well documented phenomenon occurred. As he was baptizing the seventeenth person before a crowd estimated at about 4000 there appeared a blazing whirling star out of heaven with the sound of rushing wind audible to all, and it came and hovered over him. As many ran in fear, and others knelt in prayer, a voice spoke out of the pillar of fire to him and said...''
:''It was during June of 1933 that as he was baptizing the converts in the Ohio River that a most amazing and '''well documented''' phenomenon occurred. As he was baptizing the seventeenth person before a crowd estimated at about 4000 there appeared a blazing whirling star out of heaven with the sound of rushing wind audible to all, and it came and hovered over him. As many ran in fear, and others knelt in prayer, a voice spoke out of the pillar of fire to him and said...''


::''"As John the Baptist was the forerunner of the first coming of Christ, so your message is the forerunner of the second coming of Christ."''
::''"As John the Baptist was the forerunner of the first coming of Christ, so your message is the forerunner of the second coming of Christ."''


:''Of course he alone heard the words though others heard the sound. This is exactly as it was when Paul was blinded by God and heard His voice. Others heard a sound but not the actual voice or the words of the voice. ''
:'''''Of course he alone heard the words''' though others heard the sound. This is exactly as it was when Paul was blinded by God and heard His voice. Others heard a sound but not the actual voice or the words of the voice. ''


==Concerns with the experience==
=Concerns with the experience=


===Some things stay the same, and some things change===
===Some things stay the same, and some things change===
William Branham retells this story many times. Each time he tells the story, a light always appears when the 17th person is being baptised, and a voice says "Look up".  However, there are some differences in each retelling.  Originally, 130 people came to be baptized in August 1933 while 3,000 people watched.  In later retellings, 500 people came to be baptized in June 1933 while 10,000 people watched. William Branham first tells of the voice which says "As John the Baptist was the forerunner of the first coming of Christ, so your message is the forerunner of the second coming of Christ." in August 1952.
William Branham retells this story many times. Each time he tells the story, a light always appears when the 17th person is being baptised, and a voice says "Look up".  However, there are some differences in each retelling.  Originally, 130 people came to be baptized in August 1933 while 3,000 people watched.  In later retellings, 500 people came to be baptized in June 1933 while 10,000 people watched.  
 
And the critical "prophecy" that all message followers focus on was not told by William Branham until August 1952, which was after Gordon Lindsay published his book.  William Branham, in his first telling of the voice which spoke, says that it said the following:
 
:''"As John the Baptist was sent to warn the people of the first coming of Christ, so is this Message to warn the people of the second coming."<ref>52-0817E - Do You Now Believe?</ref>
 
==John the Baptist==
 
Both Gordon Lindsay's book, ''''A Man Sent From God'''', and Julius Stadsklev's book, ''''A Prophet Visits South Africa'''' record the light appearing during the baptism, but omit the voice.  It is obvious that they received this information directly from William Branham without any checking of the facts.
 
However, Gordon Lindsay's book does include the following similar prophecy:
 
:''The next incident was a stirring message given in the Spirit and interpreted, almost identical to two others which were to be given in other Branham meetings in different places, a sure testimony of the authenticity of this anointed ministry. It was uttered with such rousing force that it almost seemed unearthly, and this was the gist of the message… that '''as John the Baptist was sent as a forerunner of the Lord’s first coming''', so was He sending forth '''this evangelist and others like him''' to move the people and prepare them for His second coming. Months later we heard this same message interpreted amidst a large crowd of people attending the Branham meeting in Tulsa, Oklahoma, by S'''ister Anna Schrader''' whom we later learned to appreciate deeply. Truly, these words penetrated our hearts.” (Gordon Lindsay, A Man Sent From God)


===John the Baptist===
This provides witnesses to the prophecy of Jesus' return.  However, the prophecy as retold by Gordon Lindsay refers to "this evangelist and others like him", while the prophecy as retold by William Branham only refers to himself.
Gordon Lindsay's book, ''A Man Sent From God'', and Julius Stadsklev's book, ''A Prophet Visits South Africa'' both record the light appearing during the baptism, but omit the voice.  Gordon Lindsay's book does include the following similar prophecy, however:


:''The next incident was a stirring message given in the Spirit and interpreted, almost identical to two others which were to be given in other Branham meetings in different places, a sure testimony of the authenticity of this anointed ministry. It was uttered with such rousing force that it almost seemed unearthly, and this was the gist of the message… that as John the Baptist was sent as a forerunner of the Lord’s first coming, so was He sending forth this evangelist and others like him to move the people and prepare them for His second coming. Months later we heard this same message interpreted amidst a large crowd of people attending the Branham meeting in Tulsa, Oklahoma, by Sister Anna Schrader whom we later learned to appreciate deeply. Truly, these words penetrated our hearts.” (Gordon Lindsay, A Man Sent From God)
It is also interesting to note that the person that gave the prophecy, [[Hagin Prophecy#Kenneth Hagin's Account of Anna Schrader's Prophecies|Anna Schrader, also prophesied William Branham's death]] in 1965.


This provides witnesses to the prophecy of Jesus' return.  However, the prophecy as retold by Gordon Lindsay refers to "this evangelist and others like him", while the prophecy as retold by William Branham only refers to himself.  
One must conclude that the since the voice was not mentioned in William Branham's own early retelling of the story that it never occurred and that he simply used the language from the Lindsay book.


===I Do Not Know===
==William Branham initially said he didn't know what it meant!==
The third time William Branham relates this story, (1951) he says that a voice spoke and that ''“many asked me what it meant. And I said, "I do not know.”''  If Bro. Branham did not know what it meant in 1951, why then does he know exactly what it means in August 1952?  (see quotes below).
The third time William Branham relates this story, (1951) he says that a voice spoke and that '''''“many asked me what it meant. And I said, "I do not know.”'''''  If Bro. Branham did not know what it meant in 1951, why then does he know exactly what it means in August 1952?  (see quotes below).


===Story in the paper===
==What was reported in the newspapers==
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[[Image:14Converted.jpg|right|thumb|300px| Jeffersonville Evening News, June 2, 1933]]
William Branham said that the story was carried by a paper (1950), the "Courier Journal" (1951), the "Sunday Visitor" (1954), the "Louisville Herald", and the "Associated Press" (1961). We have conducted numerous searches in online newspaper archives but have been unable to find any references to William Branham in 1933 other than an article from the Jeffersonville Evening News on June 2, 1933.   
William Branham said that the story was carried by a paper (1950), the "Courier Journal" (1951), the "Sunday Visitor" (1954), the "Louisville Herald", and the "Associated Press" (1961). We have conducted numerous searches in online newspaper archives.  Microfiche sources in Indiana have also been searched.  However, we have been unable to find any references to William Branham in 1933 other than an article from the Jeffersonville Evening News on June 2, 1933.  It should be noted that this article does not mention a light or the Ohio River and casts serious doubt on the number of people that William Branham claims to have baptized.   


We must reasonably conclude that the story of the light appearing on the Ohio River was never reported in any newspaper.   
We must reasonably conclude that the story of the light appearing on the Ohio River was never reported in any newspaper.  We must also conclude that William Branham estimates of numbers were wildly exaggerated.


===Who is Edward Colvin?===
==Who is Edward Colvin?==
Willliam Branham mentions that Edward Colvin was being baptized when the light came down.  If anyone would be a great witness to this event, Edward would be.
Willliam Branham mentions that Edward Colvin was being baptized when the light came down.  If anyone would be a great witness to this event, Edward would be.


==Quotes==
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|'''[[Italian]]''' <br> CI FU UNA VOCE NEL FIUME OHIO NEL 1933?
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=Quotes=
The following are a few of the quotes of William Branham relating to his experience:
The following are a few of the quotes of William Branham relating to his experience:


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These changes to the story over time are very significant, and don’t agree with the earliest records of the story.  Isn’t that a little suspect?
These changes to the story over time are very significant, and don’t agree with the earliest records of the story.  Isn’t that a little suspect?


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