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William Branham claimed that St. Augustine of Hippo rejected the baptism of the Holy Spirit and legitimized the killing of heretics. Branham also indicated that "St. Augustine" baptized the King of England in the name of Jesus Christ. Are these claims true?

William Branham claimed that St. Augustine of Hippo rejected the baptism of the Holy Spirit and legitimized the killing of heretics and that he met [[Martin]] of Tours. Branham also indicated that "St. Augustine" baptized the King of England in the name of Jesus Christ. Are these claims true?

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So Augustine of Hippo, the influential theologian, remained in North Africa throughout his life, while his namesake Augustine of Canterbury was the one who journeyed to England as a missionary.

==Augustine and Martin==

Martin of Tours and Augustine of Hippo did not meet. While they were near-contemporaries—Martin of Tours lived from 316–3971 and Augustine of Hippo lived from 354–430,their geographical separation made such an encounter highly unlikely.<ref>Jessica Parks, “The Spread of Monasticism,” in Church History Themes, ed. Zachariah Carter (Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2022).</ref>

Martin grew up in Italy and became a soldier, later studying with Hilary of Poitiers before establishing a monastery near Poitiers, placing him in Gaul (modern France).<ref>John Mark Terry and Robert L. Gallagher, Encountering the History of Missions: From the Early Church to Today, Encountering Mission (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic: A Division of Baker Publishing Group, 2017), 13–14.</ref> Augustine pioneered monastic experiments in North Africa, first on his family property in Thagaste and later in his episcopal seat of Hippo Regius.<ref>J. William Harmless, “Monasticism,” in The Oxford Handbook of Early Christian Studies, ed. Susan Ashbrook Harvey and David G. Hunter, Oxford Handbooks (Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press, 2008), 496.</ref> The two men operated in entirely different regions of the Christian world—Martin in western Gaul and Augustine in North Africa—with no documented connection between them.

The record shows that both figures shaped Western monasticism during overlapping periods. Martin of Tours stimulated Western monasticism after his military service, living as a hermit near Ligugé in France, and his sanctity drew others to join him in community. Augustine introduced a different monastic model—celibate clergy living together in service to a local church—which he established after his conversion in 388 and continued after becoming bishop of Hippo in 395.<ref>Michael A. Smith, “Ascetics and Monks: The Rise of Christian Monasticism,” in Introduction to the History of Christianity, ed. Tim Dowley (Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 2018), 174.</ref> Though they never met, both left lasting legacies that would reshape Christian monasticism for centuries to come.

==How did Augustine of Canterbury baptize?==

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''Once the Nicene Council had swung the power of political Rome to the church, it seemed that there were no limits to which this First Christian Church would go. The name, Christian, which originally brought persecution, now became the name of the persecutors. It was in this age that Augustine of Hippo (354-430) set forth the precept that the church ought and MUST use force if necessary to bring her children back into the fold, and that it was in harmony with the Word of God to kill the heretics and apostates. In his controversy with the Donatists he wrote… "It is indeed better that men should be led to worship God by teaching than that they should be driven to it by fear of punishment or pain, but it does not follow that because the former course produces the better men, therefore those who do not yield to it should be neglected. For many have found advantage (as we have proved and are daily proving by actual experience) in being first compelled by fear or pain, so that they might afterwards be influenced by teaching, so that they might follow out in act what they have already learned in word… whilst those are better who are guided aright by love, those are certainly more numerous who are corrected by fear. For who can possibly love us more than Christ, Who laid down His life for the sheep?<ref>William Branham, An Exposition Of The Seven Church Ages - Chapter Five - The Pergamean Church Age, para. 195-2</ref>

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-William Branham claimed that St. Augustine of Hippo rejected the baptism of the Holy Spirit and legitimized the killing of heretics. Branham also indicated that "St. Augustine" baptized the King of England in the name of Jesus Christ. Are these claims true?
+William Branham claimed that St. Augustine of Hippo rejected the baptism of the Holy Spirit and legitimized the killing of heretics and that he met [[Martin]] of Tours. Branham also indicated that "St. Augustine" baptized the King of England in the name of Jesus Christ. Are these claims true?
 =William Branham's use of questionable historical sources=
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 So Augustine of Hippo, the influential theologian, remained in North Africa throughout his life, while his namesake Augustine of Canterbury was the one who journeyed to England as a missionary.
+==Augustine and Martin==
+Martin of Tours and Augustine of Hippo did not meet. While they were near-contemporaries—Martin of Tours lived from 316–3971 and Augustine of Hippo lived from 354–430,their geographical separation made such an encounter highly unlikely.<ref>Jessica Parks, “The Spread of Monasticism,” in Church History Themes, ed. Zachariah Carter (Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2022).</ref>
+Martin grew up in Italy and became a soldier, later studying with Hilary of Poitiers before establishing a monastery near Poitiers, placing him in Gaul (modern France).<ref>John Mark Terry and Robert L. Gallagher, Encountering the History of Missions: From the Early Church to Today, Encountering Mission (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic: A Division of Baker Publishing Group, 2017), 13–14.</ref> Augustine pioneered monastic experiments in North Africa, first on his family property in Thagaste and later in his episcopal seat of Hippo Regius.<ref>J. William Harmless, “Monasticism,” in The Oxford Handbook of Early Christian Studies, ed. Susan Ashbrook Harvey and David G. Hunter, Oxford Handbooks (Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press, 2008), 496.</ref> The two men operated in entirely different regions of the Christian world—Martin in western Gaul and Augustine in North Africa—with no documented connection between them.
+The record shows that both figures shaped Western monasticism during overlapping periods. Martin of Tours stimulated Western monasticism after his military service, living as a hermit near Ligugé in France, and his sanctity drew others to join him in community. Augustine introduced a different monastic model—celibate clergy living together in service to a local church—which he established after his conversion in 388 and continued after becoming bishop of Hippo in 395.<ref>Michael A. Smith, “Ascetics and Monks: The Rise of Christian Monasticism,” in Introduction to the History of Christianity, ed. Tim Dowley (Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 2018), 174.</ref> Though they never met, both left lasting legacies that would reshape Christian monasticism for centuries to come.
 ==How did Augustine of Canterbury baptize?==
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 ''Once the Nicene Council had swung the power of political Rome to the church, it seemed that there were no limits to which this First Christian Church would go. The name, Christian, which originally brought persecution, now became the name of the persecutors. It was in this age that Augustine of Hippo (354-430) set forth the precept that the church ought and MUST use force if necessary to bring her children back into the fold, and that it was in harmony with the Word of God to kill the heretics and apostates. In his controversy with the Donatists he wrote… "It is indeed better that men should be led to worship God by teaching than that they should be driven to it by fear of punishment or pain, but it does not follow that because the former course produces the better men, therefore those who do not yield to it should be neglected. For many have found advantage (as we have proved and are daily proving by actual experience) in being first compelled by fear or pain, so that they might afterwards be influenced by teaching, so that they might follow out in act what they have already learned in word… whilst those are better who are guided aright by love, those are certainly more numerous who are corrected by fear. For who can possibly love us more than Christ, Who laid down His life for the sheep?<ref>William Branham,  An Exposition Of The Seven Church Ages - Chapter Five - The Pergamean Church Age, para. 195-2</ref>
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