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=Our response to Bill Ivy=


Bill Ivy is the pastor of Living Word Tabernacle, a message church in Gibson, Missouri.
Bill Ivy is the pastor of Living Word Tabernacle, a message church in Gibson, Missouri.


=Our response to Bill Ivy=
 
 
 
 
Pastor Ivy makes a number of comments which we disagree with.
 
==Does the Bible REQUIRE us to defend our faith?==


Bill Ivy effectively says there is no requirement for you to defend your faith.
Bill Ivy effectively says there is no requirement for you to defend your faith.
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Many of the Apostles and disciples were martyred because they recognized a need to defend their faith, and to evangelize their belief in Jesus Christ as the Messiah.   
Many of the Apostles and disciples were martyred because they recognized a need to defend their faith, and to evangelize their belief in Jesus Christ as the Messiah.   


Bill Ivy asserts that there is a church "AGE"... and this word never appears in Scripture, it is a construct of dispensationalists such as Larkin and others to justify their assertions as the Spirit of Elijah when they cast themselves in the role of MESSENGER...
Bill Ivy seems to be suggesting that apologetics and apologists are not needed because the  Bible and the message don’t need a defense.  Unfortunately, that is not the view of the Apostle Peter, who stated:
 
:''...but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect…''<ref> The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), 1 Pe 3:15.</ref>
 
The word “defense” used in 1 Peter 3:15 is the Greek word, apologia, which means to provide a reasoned statement or argument<ref>James Strong, Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon (Woodside Bible Fellowship, 1995).</ref> and is the same word used to described the defense a lawyer makes in a court of law.
 
Sadly, Pastor Ivy does not take the approach given to us in scripture.  This is similar to virtually all message ministers today.  They say that the message can defend itself and then provide no answers to the questions raised by sincere message followers (such as the questions we had when we were in the message).


Bill Ivy uses Acts 17:11 incorrectly...
Bill Ivy uses Acts 17:11 incorrectly...
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22  When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.  
22  When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.  


==How the message should be defended==






Pastor Ivy makes a number of comments which we disagree with.
==The concept of the "church ages"==


==Does the Bible REQUIRE us to defend our faith?==
Bill Ivy asserts that there is a church "AGE"...  and this word never appears in Scripture, it is a construct of dispensationalists such as Larkin and others to justify their assertions as the Spirit of Elijah when they cast themselves in the role of MESSENGER...


Bill Ivy seems to be suggesting that apologetics and apologists are not needed because the  Bible and the message don’t need a defense.  Unfortunately, that is not the view of the Apostle Peter, who stated:


:''...but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect…''<ref> The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), 1 Pe 3:15.</ref>
The word “defense” used in 1 Peter 3:15 is the Greek word, apologia, which means to provide a reasoned statement or argument<ref>James Strong, Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon (Woodside Bible Fellowship, 1995).</ref> and is the same word used to described the defense a lawyer makes in a court of law.
Sadly, Pastor Ivy does not take the approach given to us in scripture.  This is similar to virtually all message ministers today.  They say that the message can defend itself and then provide no answers to the questions raised by sincere message followers (such as the questions we had when we were in the message).
==How the message should be defended==


=What are we defending? By Bill Ivy=
=What are we defending? By Bill Ivy=
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