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People, and particularly preachers, in the message often state something similar to this: | People, and particularly preachers, in the message often state something similar to this: | ||
:''First of all, know that I love you. I do not hate you. You are not my enemy... But true love is corrective.<ref>This is an excerpt from an email sent to us on February 13, 2016</ref> | :''First of all, know that I love you. I do not hate you. You are not my enemy... But true love is corrective.<ref>This is an excerpt from an email sent to us on February 13, 2016</ref> | ||
This | This is used as an excuse for message followers to say terrible things in a way that appears to be filled with hatred. This attitude comes directly from the teachings of William Branham (see quotes below). | ||
But is this Biblical? | But is this Biblical? | ||
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:''“My child, pay attention when the Lord corrects you, and do not be discouraged when he rebukes you. Because the Lord corrects everyone he loves, and punishes everyone he accepts as his child.” | :''“My child, pay attention when the Lord corrects you, and do not be discouraged when he rebukes you. Because the Lord corrects everyone he loves, and punishes everyone he accepts as his child.” | ||
:''Endure what you suffer as being a father’s punishment; your suffering shows that God is treating you as his children. Was there ever a child who was not punished by his father? 8If you are not punished, as all his children are, it means you are not real children, but bastards. In the case of our human fathers, they punished us and we respected them. How much more, then, should we submit to our spiritual Father and live! Our human fathers punished us for a short time, as it seemed right to them; but God does it for our own good, so that we may share his holiness.American Bible Society, The Holy Bible: The Good News Translation, 2nd ed. (New York: American Bible Society, 1992), Heb 12:7–10.<ref>American Bible Society, The Holy Bible: The Good News Translation, 2nd ed. (New York: American Bible Society, 1992), Heb 12:5–10<ref> | :''Endure what you suffer as being a father’s punishment; your suffering shows that God is treating you as his children. Was there ever a child who was not punished by his father? 8If you are not punished, as all his children are, it means you are not real children, but bastards. In the case of our human fathers, they punished us and we respected them. How much more, then, should we submit to our spiritual Father and live! Our human fathers punished us for a short time, as it seemed right to them; but God does it for our own good, so that we may share his holiness.American Bible Society, The Holy Bible: The Good News Translation, 2nd ed. (New York: American Bible Society, 1992), Heb 12:7–10.<ref>American Bible Society, The Holy Bible: The Good News Translation, 2nd ed. (New York: American Bible Society, 1992), Heb 12:5–10</ref> | ||
:''Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent.<ref>The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Re 3:19.</ref> | :''Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent.<ref>The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Re 3:19.</ref> | ||
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Any parent knows the intense displeasure and irritation that comes from another adult trying to discipline their children. It is completely inappropriate for me to apply "corrective love" to God's children. And like a human parent, he would take extreme displeasure when someone tries to discipline his children, particularly when they do it in a way that is anything but loving. | Any parent knows the intense displeasure and irritation that comes from another adult trying to discipline their children. It is completely inappropriate for me to apply "corrective love" to God's children. And like a human parent, he would take extreme displeasure when someone tries to discipline his children, particularly when they do it in a way that is anything but loving. | ||
Try this next time you are in the local mall. Go up to a child that is acting like a brat, and give him a good paddle on his behind. Do you think his parents will turn to the little urchin and say: | '''Try this next time you are in the local mall. Go up to a child that is acting like a brat, and give him a good paddle on his behind.''' Do you think his parents will turn to the little urchin and say: | ||
:''“You see what happens when you act this way in public? Strangers spank you.”<ref>Thor Ramsey, Comedian’s Guide to Theology, a (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2008).</ref> | :''“You see what happens when you act this way in public? Strangers spank you.”<ref>Thor Ramsey, Comedian’s Guide to Theology, a (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2008).</ref> | ||
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==The proper Biblical approach== | ==The proper Biblical approach== | ||
First, if you have a doctrinal | First, if you have a doctrinal disagreement with someone, '''which is what 99.9% of message people will beat you up for''', there are no Biblical grounds for going on a rant against a fellow Christian. | ||
The Bible does say this in respect of "church discipline": | The Bible does say this in respect of "church discipline": | ||
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Paul says that we are through love to serve one another.<ref>The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Ga 5:13.</ref> | Paul says that we are through love to serve one another.<ref>The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Ga 5:13.</ref> | ||
=Another example from the message= | |||
''Not long ago I had a longe discussion with a message person regarding discrepancies in the message. When we parted he said he "loved me as a brother". I said, "get real pal, we just met and you said I blasphemed the Holy Spirit, which means I just cut myself off from God's salvation for ever! Don't be such a hypocrite. Be real!" | |||
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=Quotes of William Branham= | =Quotes of William Branham= | ||