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:''Bro. Branham told me after I wrote the books; he said, “Lee, I believe as God gave Aaron to Moses to explain his ministry, He gave you to me to explain me and my ministry.”<ref>Lee Vayle, ‘The Ministry of the Word’, December 27, 1992, para. 33</ref> | :''Bro. Branham told me after I wrote the books; he said, “Lee, I believe as God gave Aaron to Moses to explain his ministry, He gave you to me to explain me and my ministry.”<ref>Lee Vayle, ‘The Ministry of the Word’, December 27, 1992, para. 33</ref> | ||
There is no evidence, other than Lee Vayle's words, that William Branham ever said this. | There is no evidence, other than Lee Vayle's words, that William Branham ever said this. Lee Vayle also held himself out as a special authority: | ||
:''I have the authority, by his request and by the Word of God, to take this same Word and break it down and show you what he is saying, to a degree that you of yourself could not capture it, because you absolutely were not the one predestinated to it. | |||
Lee Vayle's followers attempt to twist William Branham's words to verify this. These two quotes are often repeated on websites that promote Lee Vayle's teachings: | Lee Vayle's followers attempt to twist William Branham's words to verify this. These two quotes are often repeated on websites that promote Lee Vayle's teachings: | ||
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And it begs the question - who are Jannes and Jambres today if Moses and Aaron were William Branham and Lee Vayle. Lee Vayle's followers are clearly being deceptive. | And it begs the question - who are Jannes and Jambres today if Moses and Aaron were William Branham and Lee Vayle. Lee Vayle's followers are clearly being deceptive. | ||
William Branham did refer to Lee Vayle: | |||
:''And if there’s anything you lack of understanding, something that you do not understand, my associate Brother Vayle here, is available at all times to explain anything that seems mysterious to you ministering brethren, or wherever you are, or any lay member, anything.<ref>William Branham, 58-0323 - Jesus Christ The Same Yesterday, Today, And Forever</ref> | |||
:''I’m sorry to have kept you… A little bit, that’s not late though. Now, I want you to be real reverent, just for a few moments. The hour is now at hand, to what all that I’ve have said, and all that Dr. Vayle has said, and all the Scriptures has promised, it’s got to be found truth or false. It’s got to be right or wrong.<ref>William Branham, 58-0510 - Have Faith In God, para. 47</ref> | |||
:''And Doctor Lee Vayle is here somewhere. I guess he got here. He met me in Kentucky, driving thirty miles an hour, breaking in another Ford. And so, coming down, and I met him. And he’s the—the public relation man. He’ll be speaking, I guess, somewhere at the meeting, some every day. '''So if there is any questions or anything, why, ask Brother Vayle, he’ll be able to help you in these questions.'''<ref>William Branham, 64-0409 - The Identification Of Christ In All Ages, para. 38</ref> | |||
William Branham did say that people could ask Lee Vayle if they had questions but he clearly did not state, as Lee Vayle's followers would have you believe, that he was William Branham's mouthpiece as Aaron was for Moses. | |||
=Should we consider the followers of Lee Vayle to be Christians?= | |||
Lee Vayle taught a number of heretical doctrines including: | |||
#the ''Parousia doctrine'', | |||
#the denial of the deity of Jesus Christ and | |||
#a view of the Godhead that is a bizarre hybrid of [[Nestorianism]], [[Arianism]] and [[Adoptionism]]. | |||
Some of these doctrines are remarkably similar to certain of the foundational beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses. They are also heresies that were condemned by the Christian church as heresies from their outset. | |||
As a result, we much conclude that those that follow Lee Vayle can not be considered Christians. | As a result, we much conclude that those that follow Lee Vayle can not be considered Christians. | ||
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Here is a brief description of the primary heresies that make up Lee Vayle's teaching on the Godhead: | Here is a brief description of the primary heresies that make up Lee Vayle's teaching on the Godhead: | ||
:'''[[Arianism]]''' was a heresy first taught by Arius (ca. AD 250–336) in Alexandria, Egypt. Arius | :'''[[Arianism]]''' was a heresy first taught by Arius (ca. AD 250–336) in Alexandria, Egypt. Arius asserted that the Son of God was a subordinate entity to God the Father. Similar doctrine is also taught by Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. | ||
:[[Nestorianism]] is the heretical doctrine that Jesus existed as two persons, the man Jesus and the divine Son of God, rather than as a unified person. | :[[Nestorianism]] is the heretical doctrine that Jesus existed as two persons, the man Jesus and the divine Son of God, rather than as a unified person. | ||
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:''...Now, where is He? On the throne. See, '''you're looking today at our elder brother''', we're looking at Him in every aspect of God in life, that's the family of God, and we're seeing here that He is the author and the finisher. And notice what it says, He sat down at the right hand of God. That's been changed. He's on the throne of God! Waiting for us. That's why Bro. Branham said, "When He died, I was there paying for my sins on Calvary. When He rose, I rose with Him." '''And the truth is, when He climbed on His Father's throne, then we had to climb on with Him!'''<ref>Lee Vayle, Leadership #11, Accepting The Person Christ, 21 Aug 1994</ref> | :''...Now, where is He? On the throne. See, '''you're looking today at our elder brother''', we're looking at Him in every aspect of God in life, that's the family of God, and we're seeing here that He is the author and the finisher. And notice what it says, He sat down at the right hand of God. That's been changed. He's on the throne of God! Waiting for us. That's why Bro. Branham said, "When He died, I was there paying for my sins on Calvary. When He rose, I rose with Him." '''And the truth is, when He climbed on His Father's throne, then we had to climb on with Him!'''<ref>Lee Vayle, Leadership #11, Accepting The Person Christ, 21 Aug 1994</ref> | ||
:''All right, now. He's putting the two together; and remember, Bro. Branham said, "'''Jesus was a dual personality'''." And we know that the Father indwelt him. | :''All right, now. He's putting the two together; and remember, Bro. Branham said, "'''Jesus was a dual personality'''." And we know that the Father indwelt him. | ||
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:''...There's more than one place where the Father and Son are a complete unit, '''a duality: two people dwelling in one flesh''', that evidently God Himself prepared for Jesus. And then It says, "God was in Christ reconciling the world."<ref>Lee Vayle, Godhead - #2, 3 Oct 1999</ref> | :''...There's more than one place where the Father and Son are a complete unit, '''a duality: two people dwelling in one flesh''', that evidently God Himself prepared for Jesus. And then It says, "God was in Christ reconciling the world."<ref>Lee Vayle, Godhead - #2, 3 Oct 1999</ref> | ||
:''...the church has made '''the great mistake in making Jesus equal to God''' — which he is in a certain way — '''but he’s not God. He’s not Deity'''. I’m sorry, but he’s not, because God is not in him. No way. What God was in him is not Deity, same as what God is in you is not Deity, concerning Deity Himself, which is Sovereign God and Creator and Maintainer.''<ref>Lee Vayle, Godhead Q&A #4: Tangibility of God, 11-05-2000 </ref> | :''...the church has made '''the great mistake in making Jesus equal to God''' — which he is in a certain way — '''but he’s not God. He’s not Deity'''. I’m sorry, but he’s not, because God is not in him. No way. What God was in him is not Deity, same as what God is in you is not Deity, concerning Deity Himself, which is Sovereign God and Creator and Maintainer.''<ref>Lee Vayle, Godhead Q&A #4: Tangibility of God, 11-05-2000 </ref> | ||
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:''Now with the subject of sovereignty, what I wanted to do was to bring to you the understanding that Jesus is not Deity. When Bro. Branham said, “He’s God, but he’s not God,” in our minds we placed that with the incarnation, and that is true. But, when you realize that in the incarnation, which is to come, when that Spirit that’s in our midst, and that’s the Spirit of God, He will become incarnate to us again. | :''Now with the subject of sovereignty, what I wanted to do was to bring to you the understanding that Jesus is not Deity. When Bro. Branham said, “He’s God, but he’s not God,” in our minds we placed that with the incarnation, and that is true. But, when you realize that in the incarnation, which is to come, when that Spirit that’s in our midst, and that’s the Spirit of God, He will become incarnate to us again. | ||
:''... | :''...We’re going to talk about, as I said, in the fact of sovereignty, Jesus cannot be Deity. '''Now Jesus can’t be Deity when we consider true Deity'''. | ||
:'''''Jesus definitely is not God'''. He is the Son of God. And his form, as I’ve mentioned already, Bro. Branham said, “The only difference between God and His Son is that sons have beginnings.” | :'''''...Jesus definitely is not God'''. He is the Son of God. And his form, as I’ve mentioned already, Bro. Branham said, “The only difference between God and His Son is that sons have beginnings.” | ||
:''What do you mean, “sons have beginnings?” Well, sons are procreated. The thought of having a son does not give anybody the ability to create one. The substance must be there in order to be passed on to that person, to bring that person in the likeness of the progenitor. | :''What do you mean, “sons have beginnings?” Well, sons are procreated. The thought of having a son does not give anybody the ability to create one. The substance must be there in order to be passed on to that person, to bring that person in the likeness of the progenitor. | ||
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:'''''So, Jesus can’t be Deity, when we consider true Deity. He is the Son of Deity, Son of God''', and since elevated by God, he is worthy of worship, but not as God is worshipped. He can’t be. It is wise to regard Jesus, Son of God, in the light of Hebrews, as written by Paul, and glorifying God for His wisdom and power, for so setting us all in divine order. | :'''''So, Jesus can’t be Deity, when we consider true Deity. He is the Son of Deity, Son of God''', and since elevated by God, he is worthy of worship, but not as God is worshipped. He can’t be. It is wise to regard Jesus, Son of God, in the light of Hebrews, as written by Paul, and glorifying God for His wisdom and power, for so setting us all in divine order. | ||
:''... | :''...And, how was he equal with God? Because he was the First-begotten Son of God. So therefore, positively, he was equal in the inheritance, because it split the kingdom right down the middle. But God didn’t split Himself down the middle. God didn’t split His sovereignty down the middle. He had an equality, the same as Bro. Branham says, “Satan was one time equal with God and led in the worship.” | ||
:'''''Was he equal with God as per Godhead? Oh, don’t be ridiculous'''. Was he equal, then, in the majesty and the glory and the power? Don’t be ridiculous. He had to be a controller of some description, as the great CEOs are of all the money you’ve got invested in stock, and they act as though it were their own, with their golden parachutes, and their divvying up, and their perks, and God knows what. | :'''''Was he equal with God as per Godhead? Oh, don’t be ridiculous'''. Was he equal, then, in the majesty and the glory and the power? Don’t be ridiculous. He had to be a controller of some description, as the great CEOs are of all the money you’ve got invested in stock, and they act as though it were their own, with their golden parachutes, and their divvying up, and their perks, and God knows what. | ||
:''... | :''...Now again, in Jn 14:6 - I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (So, he’s not the Father, and '''he’s not God'''. “There’s one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.” [1 Tim 2:5]) | ||
:''And It places it right there that '''Jesus is not God'''. See? I’ll tell you: I believe calling Jesus ‘Deity’, which we’ve had people here do that, is an entire misunderstanding or no understanding of Seed: that God is the Father, the Progenitor, the Author, the All in all of a race of His Own children, genetically, legitimately, spiritually, physically, every single way. God is not our Creator; He is our Father; He is our Source; He is our Progenitor. Call it what you want. Out of the Great Fountain, God, came every one of His sons, and nothing else came from that Lifeline, because the Bible says, “In him was life.”<ref>Lee Vayle, Godhead #14: The Man, Jesus Christ, Is Not Deity, August 6, 2000</ref> | :''And It places it right there that '''Jesus is not God'''. See? I’ll tell you: I believe calling Jesus ‘Deity’, which we’ve had people here do that, is an entire misunderstanding or no understanding of Seed: that God is the Father, the Progenitor, the Author, the All in all of a race of His Own children, genetically, legitimately, spiritually, physically, every single way. God is not our Creator; He is our Father; He is our Source; He is our Progenitor. Call it what you want. Out of the Great Fountain, God, came every one of His sons, and nothing else came from that Lifeline, because the Bible says, “In him was life.”<ref>Lee Vayle, Godhead #14: The Man, Jesus Christ, Is Not Deity, August 6, 2000</ref> | ||
:'''''Jesus is not deity''', but He was the fullness of the Godhead as deity, which is godhead was within Him, which is a person, '''two persons in one body of flesh'''.<ref>Lee Vayle, Godhead (#12), July 2nd, 2000</ref> | :'''''Jesus is not deity''', but He was the fullness of the Godhead as deity, which is godhead was within Him, which is a person, '''two persons in one body of flesh'''.<ref>Lee Vayle, Godhead (#12), July 2nd, 2000</ref> | ||
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An individual who goes by the cryptic "Bro. Johnson" described Lee Vayle's teaching with respect to Jesus and William Branham as follows: | An individual who goes by the cryptic "Bro. Johnson" described Lee Vayle's teaching with respect to Jesus and William Branham as follows: | ||
:''...the kenosis is God pouring HIMSELF into a mask, and Christ was the alpha man in which God by kenosis entered into, but another kenosis was promised in the last day and that would be the super sign, God again in human flesh!,ref>from the webpage - williambranham.weebly.com/the-authenticated-works-of-john-1412.html</ref> | :''...the kenosis is God pouring HIMSELF into a mask, and Christ was the alpha man in which God by kenosis entered into, but another kenosis was promised in the last day and that would be the super sign, God again in human flesh!,<ref>from the webpage - williambranham.weebly.com/the-authenticated-works-of-john-1412.html</ref> | ||
===Nestorianism in Vayle's followers=== | ===Nestorianism in Vayle's followers=== | ||
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:''I believe it was about 1956 and no later, that Leo and Gene, Leo Mercier and Gene Goad, '''God told Bro. Branham to hire them; two homosexuals'''. So I want you to get the drift of what I'm saying. This, what I'm talking about here, where God made Himself known, and through a prophet, is where men turned back and the homosexuals were standing right there to take over. And you're going to see more and more of it, and you're going to see more and more corruption, and you're going to see more and more people dying from AIDS. Bro. Branham said there'd come a time when people standing on this ground here-and I said it even, I think even before he did-because when I saw that the Scriptures said that God repented He made man, I looked very closely in the Hebrew to find out what that word 'repent' means 'to be sorrowful'. And God was very sorrowful concerning the state of man which man had found himself, and so, therefore, God did not let the last man suddenly gasp and fall into the ooze and scum of the universe and gag and die with his last breath. He cut them off.<ref>Lee Vayle, Godhead P19, July 1, 2000</ref> | :''I believe it was about 1956 and no later, that Leo and Gene, Leo Mercier and Gene Goad, '''God told Bro. Branham to hire them; two homosexuals'''. So I want you to get the drift of what I'm saying. This, what I'm talking about here, where God made Himself known, and through a prophet, is where men turned back and the homosexuals were standing right there to take over. And you're going to see more and more of it, and you're going to see more and more corruption, and you're going to see more and more people dying from AIDS. Bro. Branham said there'd come a time when people standing on this ground here-and I said it even, I think even before he did-because when I saw that the Scriptures said that God repented He made man, I looked very closely in the Hebrew to find out what that word 'repent' means 'to be sorrowful'. And God was very sorrowful concerning the state of man which man had found himself, and so, therefore, God did not let the last man suddenly gasp and fall into the ooze and scum of the universe and gag and die with his last breath. He cut them off.<ref>Lee Vayle, Godhead P19, July 1, 2000</ref> | ||
=Current status of Vaylism= | =Current status of Vaylism= | ||