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Bill Ivy is the pastor of Living Word Tabernacle, a message church in Gibson, Missouri. | Bill Ivy is the pastor of Living Word Tabernacle, a message church in Gibson, Missouri. | ||
On December 24, 2019, he posted an article on the website of Living Word Tabernacle which we strongly disagree with. | On December 24, 2019, he posted an article on the website of Living Word Tabernacle which we strongly disagree with. While his post does contain something we would agree with, we want to be clear about our main points of disagreement. | ||
==Does the Bible REQUIRE us to defend our faith?== | ==Does the Bible REQUIRE us to defend our faith?== | ||
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Sadly, Pastor Ivy does not take the approach given to us in scripture. This is similar to virtually all message ministers today. They say that the message can defend itself and then provide no answers to the questions raised by sincere message followers ([[List of Issues with the Message|such as the questions we had when we were in the message]]). | Sadly, Pastor Ivy does not take the approach given to us in scripture. This is similar to virtually all message ministers today. They say that the message can defend itself and then provide no answers to the questions raised by sincere message followers ([[List of Issues with the Message|such as the questions we had when we were in the message]]). | ||
==Receiving the word with all readiness of mind== | ===Receiving the word with all readiness of mind=== | ||
In Acts 17:11, we read: | In Acts 17:11, we read: | ||
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:''If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.<ref>The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), 1 Ti 6:3–5.</ref> | :''If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.<ref>The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), 1 Ti 6:3–5.</ref> | ||
==A question for Bill Ivy== | ===A question for Bill Ivy=== | ||
We were believers of the message for decades. We eagerly received the message that was brought to us by message followers. We were told certain things that we believed to be true. However, sin in the leadership of the message church we attended, and the lack of any response from the many message ministers we knew, caused us to go back to the word. We asked ourselves two questions: | We were believers of the message for decades. We eagerly received the message that was brought to us by message followers. We were told certain things that we believed to be true. However, sin in the leadership of the message church we attended, and the lack of any response from the many message ministers we knew, caused us to go back to the word. We asked ourselves two questions: | ||
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These are only a few of the questions that we asked... To see the full list, [[List of Issues with the Message|click here]]. | These are only a few of the questions that we asked... To see the full list, [[List of Issues with the Message|click here]]. | ||
Will Bill Ivy behave like a Berean and see whether our questions are | Will Bill Ivy behave like a Berean and see whether our questions are valid. They do deserve a response. | ||
==The concept of the "church ages"== | ==The concept of the "church ages"== | ||