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Bill Ivy clearly states that there is a requirement to examine what is heard to make sure it aligns with Scripture '''BUT there is NO discussion about how to behave when it DOESN'T.''' | Bill Ivy clearly states that there is a requirement to examine what is heard to make sure it aligns with Scripture '''BUT there is NO discussion about how to behave when it DOESN'T.''' | ||
Disagreement on doctrinal issues is not the point. | Disagreement on doctrinal issues is not the point. What are we to do when we come across something that does not align with Scripture? | ||
We are to '''WITHDRAW OURSELVES''' from the teaching which would take us further from Christ as Paul states: | |||
:''If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.<ref>The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), 1 Ti 6:3–5.</ref> | |||
==A question for Bill Ivy== | |||
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 | We were believers of the message for decades. We eagerly received the message that was brought to us by message followers. We were told certain things that we believed to be true. However, sin in the leadership of the message church we attended, and the lack of any response from the many message ministers we knew, caused us to go back to the word. We asked ourselves two questions: | ||
#Had ministers of the message perverted William Branham's teaching? OR | |||
#Was there a fundamental problem with the message itself? | |||
We believed the message and we WANTED IT TO BE TRUE. But '''like the Bereans we needed to DETERMINE IF THE MESSAGE WAS TRUE.''' | |||
The words of Deuteronomy 18:20-22 constantly confronted us: | |||
:''But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.<ref>The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Dt 18:20–22.</ref> | |||
So we would ask Bill Ivy the following question - What do we do when we find problems in the message? | |||
If he denies there are problems, we would ask him to click on the issues below and respond publicly to the questions we have asked (these questions have been on this website for over 7 years without a single message minister contacting us with an answer AND we have stated publicly we would change anything that anyone could prove to be incorrect): | |||
#[[The Municipal Bridge Vision|Why did William Branham say that the municipal bridge vision was fulfilled when it clearly wasn't?]] '''(is this a failed prophecy?)''' | |||
#[[The Brown Bear Vision|Why did William Branham say "Thus Saith The Lord" that he would shoot a large brown bear, when he didn't?]] '''(is this a failed prophecy?)''' | |||
#[[The Vision of the Meetings in South Africa|Why did the vision that William Branham had of the meetings in south Africa fail to be fulfilled?]] '''(is this a failed prophecy?)''' | |||
##[[Franklin D. Roosevelt|Why did William Branham prophecy that America would start World War 2?]] '''(is this a failed prophecy?)''' | |||
#[[Did William Branham visit the graves of Muhammad, Buddha, and Confucius?]] | |||
#Did William Branham visit the Vatican and see the inscription "''[[VICARIVS FILII DEI]]''" above the throne of the Pope? | |||
#Did William Branham see [[Stories about Eagles|a mother eagle carry her babies on her wings?]] | |||
#[[The Cloud|Why did William Branham say that he was under the cloud when they took its picture, when he clearly wasn't?]] | |||
#[[Marriage and Divorce|William Branham believed that if a wife cuts her hair, her husband can divorce her. Does the Bible teach this?]] | |||
These are only a few of the questions that we asked... To see the full list, [[List of Issues with the Message|click here]]. | |||
==How the message should be defended== | ==How the message should be defended== | ||