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::You also gave no reasonable BIBLICAL explanation for the discrepancies that we see exhibited in WMB’s ministry. That is why we must conclude that your use of the erroneous biblical “discrepancies” must be considered red herrings. You say that you applied biblical precedents in your sermon but you did not. There was no attempt on your part in your sermon to explain why or how the examples you used (Abraham and Elijah) had anything to do with the message discrepancies. This is the sign of a red herring. You do not use proper logic in your argumentation. Yelling and screaming that something is a biblical precedent does not make it so. | ::You also gave no reasonable BIBLICAL explanation for the discrepancies that we see exhibited in WMB’s ministry. That is why we must conclude that your use of the erroneous biblical “discrepancies” must be considered red herrings. You say that you applied biblical precedents in your sermon but you did not. There was no attempt on your part in your sermon to explain why or how the examples you used (Abraham and Elijah) had anything to do with the message discrepancies. This is the sign of a red herring. You do not use proper logic in your argumentation. Yelling and screaming that something is a biblical precedent does not make it so. | ||
:''I find it most strange that you people are happy to dig up explanations to defend the bible (which I also do because I believe the bible is 100% accurate) but you cannot accept when we use the same concept on defending the message. You brand this as cognitive dissonance and red herrings. We defend the bible on the basis that it is the absolute Word of God and we stand against ALL bible critics on the revelation that the bible is true. Critics of the bible take us to be crazy when we take such a position and consider us to be heretics who are deceived and lost but we are happy to be branded whatever they may because we have a revelation that the bible is right. | |||
::But you did not say that in your sermon. You did not even try to explain why there was a discrepancy between the 400 years that Abraham prophesied and the 430 years in Exodus. Isn't the job of the pastor to help the congregation understand why there was a discrepancy? | |||
::You did give an explanation for the failure for the brown bear vision but your explanation, which will be covered in Part 4 of our series, is not biblical. You give A message pastro's excuse, a pastor who lied to his entire congregation on several occasion, and the excuse would never have worked in the Old Testament. Can you find me an explanation where a prophet says "Thus Saith The Lord" such and such will happen and then it didn't happen '''OUTSIDE OF THE ALLOWABLE REASONS IN SCRIPTURE?''' ([[Failed Prophecies#Jonah prophesied against Nineveh but it was not destroyed|Jeremiah 18:7-8]] | |||
::The “message community” is not happy with the explanations because they avoid any explanation like the plague. As one ex-message follower told us, “I thought my pastor had examined these issues and that he had our best interest in mind. But I came to learn that was false.” These issues are not examined. I do applaud you for trying to do so but when you hide your sermons behind the security of your website, it appears disingenuous. | ::The “message community” is not happy with the explanations because they avoid any explanation like the plague. As one ex-message follower told us, “I thought my pastor had examined these issues and that he had our best interest in mind. But I came to learn that was false.” These issues are not examined. I do applaud you for trying to do so but when you hide your sermons behind the security of your website, it appears disingenuous. | ||