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 Is this a clear prophecy?  Or is it simply a man asking God for something?  Certainly if Joseph had never been born, we could not have pointed back as with the [[The Brown Bear Vision|vision of the Brown Bear]] or [[The Vision of the Meetings in South Africa|the vision of the meetings in South Africa]] and state that the vision was not fulfilled.  William Branham does not mention a vision at this time.  It is only mentioned after the fact.
-Therefore, this cannot be considered to have been a clear prophecy given publicly before the fact that was later clearly fulfilled.
+Another issue is that, if you read the quotes below, William Branham did not indicate that he had seen a vision.  Then later, after Joseph is born, he states that he had a vision showing his son's birth.  Then he subsequently states it wasn't a vision but was just something he felt was coming from the Lord.  He then later clearly states that he did have a clear vision that he would have a son that he was to name Joseph?  Is that a clear prophecy?
+Based on this, the birth of Joseph Branham cannot be considered to have been a clear prophecy given publicly before the fact that was later clearly fulfilled.
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 :''Well, I had a little girl. So I thought, "Well..." I praised the Lord for it. And just about a month after that, we found out that we were going to be a parent again, and so I thought maybe that was my Joseph. So it come out, it was a Josephine; it was a girl.
 :''So many thought that I said that was Joseph. I said, "No, no. I didn't say that was Joseph."
-:''And some of them said, "Well, didn't you say that you seen a vision of this?" You know how people get things mixed up.
+:''And some of them said, '''"Well, didn't you say that you seen a vision of this?"''' You know how people get things mixed up.
-:''I said, "I got the tapes on it. See? Come, listen. I never said it was Joseph." I said, "The Lord has put in my heart that I'm going to have a son by the name of Joseph." See? I said, "I don't know how, when, or what, but it's going to be." So I didn't know. "I may have--may have six girls before we have him, but he will be here." Well, that just never left my heart. And we went on.
+:''I said, "I got the tapes on it. See? Come, listen. '''I never said it was Joseph.'''" I said, "'''The Lord has put in my heart that I'm going to have a son by the name of Joseph.'''" See? I said, "I don't know how, when, or what, but it's going to be." So I didn't know. "I may have--may have six girls before we have him, but he will be here." Well, that just never left my heart. And we went on.
 DOOR.TO.THE.HEART_  HARRISONBURG.VA  SUNDAY_  58-0316E
-:''I was just talking to my little boy, Joseph. Oh, my. He's quite a boy. You know, I... How many ever remembered being in my meetings that I saw a vision of him coming six years before he got here, told the people about it, and his name would be Joseph?
+:''I was just talking to my little boy, Joseph. Oh, my. He's quite a boy. You know, I... '''How many ever remembered being in my meetings that I saw a vision of him coming six years before he got here, told the people about it, and his name would be Joseph?'''
 :''Doctor said, "She can't have another baby."
 :''I said, "Yes, she can."
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 :''I said, "No, I meant Joseph."
 :''The doctor said, "She can never have another child."
 :''I said, "Oh, yes, she can: going to have one more anyhow." So when she got... We know four years later, that she was going to be mother again, and poor little thing, I went up to the--to the, my place and was praying for her. I come back, and she didn't how things was going to go. And I said, "Honey, don't worry. The Lord just said it's 'THUS SAITH THE LORD.' Everything's running just right."
 :''So she went in, and you know how the waiting fathers walk all the paint off the floor. We were waiting, and I was wondering what was happening. A nurse come down, she said, "Reverend Branham?"
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 THE.POWER.OF.GOD_  CHICAGO.IL  THURSDAY_  55-1006E
 :''You know, I remember, little Joseph about six years before he was born. I was over at Minneapolis a praying. I was just reading the life of Joseph, what a wonderful person he was. And then there was... I went into a little closet where I had my clothes hanging, and I pulled the door together. And I was just a weeping and--and thanking the Lord for this Joseph.
-:''And Something just said to me, not a vision, but Something just said to me, "You'll have a boy, and you'll call his name Joseph."
+:''And '''Something just said to me, not a vision, but Something just said to me, "You'll have a boy, and you'll call his name Joseph.'''"
 :''So I thought, "Well now, that's fine. I thank You, Lord." So I begin to tell the people about it. Well, immediately, about, oh, about a year later, there was a little baby born in our house. When it was coming on, some of them said, "Is this Joseph?"
 :''I said, "I don't know." I said, "Can't say that." For our other one had been a girl, four years since. And so then when the little baby was born, it was a little girl. Then you talk about razzing me, especially my brothers, you know, brothers in flesh that said, "I thought it was right every time, Billy?"
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 LET.US.SEE.GOD_  SAN.JOSE.CA  V-14 N-2  SUNDAY_  59-1129
-:''Many of you has heard of Joseph, haven't you? The African people recently sent him a little coat of several colors. I saw him six years before he came, when the doctor said we'd never have another baby, we could not have. Our children had to be caesarean. My mother, my wife's people is that way; they--their babies are all caesarean. And the Lord told me I was going to have this baby, when the doctor said it could not be done, said it just could not be done. I said, "It'll be anyhow." And we waited four years after a vision come that I'd have a boy, and I should call his name Joseph.
+:''Many of you has heard of Joseph, haven't you? The African people recently sent him a little coat of several colors. I saw him six years before he came, when the doctor said we'd never have another baby, we could not have. Our children had to be caesarean. My mother, my wife's people is that way; they--their babies are all caesarean. And the Lord told me I was going to have this baby, when the doctor said it could not be done, said it just could not be done. I said, "It'll be anyhow." '''And we waited four years after a vision come that I'd have a boy, and I should call his name Joseph.'''
 :''And after that, there was another girl born. Everybody laughed at me and said, "You meant Josephine."
 :''I said, "No. I meant Joseph, as a boy." He'll perhaps take my place when I'm gone, if Jesus tarries. And four more years, then the doctor was positive there'd never be another one; four more years Joseph arrived.
 BLIND.BARTIMAEUS_  BEAUMONT.TX  TUESDAY_  61-0124
-:''You all know about little Joseph. Six years before he come I saw him in a vision. The doctor said my wife could never have another child. I said, "Oh, yes."
+:''You all know about little Joseph. '''Six years before he come I saw him in a vision.''' The doctor said my wife could never have another child. I said, "Oh, yes."
 :''So when the next child was borned, it was a girl. They said, "Uh-huh. You meant, Josephine."
 :''I said, "I meant Joseph. God never tells lies."