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What I have observed is that what is said from the Pulpit among message crowds is vastly different from what they say to others in public. I was just talking with Jenny today, and i said that when a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is wrong. I remember being conflicted about this very thing a number of times while in the message. It also really bothers me to see the put-on and show of kindness and love, when you know what has been said behind the person's back. Joshua Keith spoke of this on a recent post regarding his former pastor and a Baptist friend of his. Jenny and I have experienced it first hand from our former pastor regarding us personally. Where is the integrity? | What I have observed is that what is said from the Pulpit among message crowds is vastly different from what they say to others in public. I was just talking with Jenny today, and i said that when a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is wrong. I remember being conflicted about this very thing a number of times while in the message. It also really bothers me to see the put-on and show of kindness and love, when you know what has been said behind the person's back. Joshua Keith spoke of this on a recent post regarding his former pastor and a Baptist friend of his. Jenny and I have experienced it first hand from our former pastor regarding us personally. Where is the integrity? | ||
=Quotes= | =Quotes of William Branham= | ||
A certain organization the other day, because that I let another minister set on the platform that didn't belong to their organization, he said, "We have drawed a line. We have drawed you out of it, Brother Branham, out of, out of our circle." | |||
I said, "'''I'm drawing another one, so big... take you back in again.'''" I said, "So you just can't push me out." That's right. "I'll draw a line right over the top of yours and take you right back." See? | |||
That's for... '''We are brethren. "We are not divided; all one body are we."''' Right. We're Christians, borned of His Spirit, washed in His blood. We are Christians. We should act like Christians; we should behave ourselves like Christians, men and women. '''Let me tell you that that's one thing the church is lacking today, is behaving itself like Christians. We go around and act like dead flies.''' It's terrible. No faith--not enough, if it was ink, to dot an "I." We just strictly have lost something. What we ought to do is have our shoulders back.<ref>EXPECTATION_ TUCSON.AZ SUNDAY_ 61-0205M</ref> | |||
''This man said, "I'm... We're drawing a little ring, and we're drawing you out of our circle." | |||
'''''I said, "Then I'm going to draw a little ring, and draw you back in again."''' See? So I... That's it, bring you right back. I... You can't put me out, 'cause God put me in. See? So you can't--can't put me out, so that's the way we're going to do. See? Believe that. You're a wonderful group of brothers. Bless be the tie that binds our hearts in Christian love. The fellowship of kindred minds, is that--like to that above.<ref>FROM.THAT.TIME_ BLOOMINGTON.IL 61-0415B</ref> | |||
''He said, "You know what we are going to do?" Said, "We're drawing a little ring and drawing you right out of our circle." | |||
''Then I said, "I'm going to draw another one and draw you right back in again." So I said, "'''You can't draw me out, 'cause I love you.''' See, you just can't do it." I said, "There's too many of your brethren out there that love me and believe in me." I said, "You... I'll--I'll... They'll come anyhow." I said, "They'll come, and you can't draw me out. If you draw me out, I'll draw you back in." I said...?... '''"When you make one circle, God, by His grace, will let me draw another one and pull you right back in."''' That's right. Draw them right back again...<ref>THE.GODHEAD.EXPLAINED_ CHICAGO.IL 61-0425B</ref> | |||
''“If I belong to the Assemblies of God, I'd be Assemblies of God. If I belong to the Foursquare, I'd be Foursquare. See? But '''I'd always want to reach my arms out for each one (See?), get them all together. See? That--that's it, fellowship one with another.''' That way I've been misunderstood.”<ref>LIFE_ SALEM_OR 07-19-62 Breakfast</ref> | |||
Revision as of 20:17, 8 January 2014
spiritually "bi-polar".
On the surface (like when WMB was outside of Jeffersonville), they quote the good stuff about perfect love, the water rising and the ducks swimming together, draw the circle bigger, put your arms around your brothers, have the right spirit rather than wrong doctrine, etc.
But back in the camp and behind closed doors - it's Cain vs Abel, serpent seed, slam the 'ecumenicalists', one-in-a-million, called-out of the church, denominations are of the devil, we are the elect, be not unequally yoked, etc.
It's why it feels so sickening to shake hands with someone when you KNOW behind the smile, they'd sooner see your church crumble and you fall into the ditch.
I've seen so many pastors talk about "love" in the pulpit, while knowing they think everyone outside their doors are cannon fodder, whores, perverts and fools. Who cares if you can quote those sweet 'message' quotes - they mean nothing beyond lip service.
Of course - that never applies to EVERYONE. But it correctly characterizes the nature of the message.
What I have observed is that what is said from the Pulpit among message crowds is vastly different from what they say to others in public. I was just talking with Jenny today, and i said that when a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is wrong. I remember being conflicted about this very thing a number of times while in the message. It also really bothers me to see the put-on and show of kindness and love, when you know what has been said behind the person's back. Joshua Keith spoke of this on a recent post regarding his former pastor and a Baptist friend of his. Jenny and I have experienced it first hand from our former pastor regarding us personally. Where is the integrity?
Quotes of William Branham
A certain organization the other day, because that I let another minister set on the platform that didn't belong to their organization, he said, "We have drawed a line. We have drawed you out of it, Brother Branham, out of, out of our circle."
I said, "I'm drawing another one, so big... take you back in again." I said, "So you just can't push me out." That's right. "I'll draw a line right over the top of yours and take you right back." See?
That's for... We are brethren. "We are not divided; all one body are we." Right. We're Christians, borned of His Spirit, washed in His blood. We are Christians. We should act like Christians; we should behave ourselves like Christians, men and women. Let me tell you that that's one thing the church is lacking today, is behaving itself like Christians. We go around and act like dead flies. It's terrible. No faith--not enough, if it was ink, to dot an "I." We just strictly have lost something. What we ought to do is have our shoulders back.[1]
This man said, "I'm... We're drawing a little ring, and we're drawing you out of our circle."
I said, "Then I'm going to draw a little ring, and draw you back in again." See? So I... That's it, bring you right back. I... You can't put me out, 'cause God put me in. See? So you can't--can't put me out, so that's the way we're going to do. See? Believe that. You're a wonderful group of brothers. Bless be the tie that binds our hearts in Christian love. The fellowship of kindred minds, is that--like to that above.[2]
He said, "You know what we are going to do?" Said, "We're drawing a little ring and drawing you right out of our circle."
Then I said, "I'm going to draw another one and draw you right back in again." So I said, "You can't draw me out, 'cause I love you. See, you just can't do it." I said, "There's too many of your brethren out there that love me and believe in me." I said, "You... I'll--I'll... They'll come anyhow." I said, "They'll come, and you can't draw me out. If you draw me out, I'll draw you back in." I said...?... "When you make one circle, God, by His grace, will let me draw another one and pull you right back in." That's right. Draw them right back again...[3]
“If I belong to the Assemblies of God, I'd be Assemblies of God. If I belong to the Foursquare, I'd be Foursquare. See? But I'd always want to reach my arms out for each one (See?), get them all together. See? That--that's it, fellowship one with another. That way I've been misunderstood.”[4]