Question 3 (BM2) - Moving on to other issues... like the Bible

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The following are a series of questions and answers between one of our editors (referred to as BTS Editor 2 or BTS 2 in the discussions) and a message minister from the progressive revelation sect of the message (referred to as BM2 - Branham Minister #2). Click on the link to go to the specific question and answer. You are currently on the topic that is in bold:

Background to the Q&A

Question 1 - What is a prophet?

Question 2 - Was William Branham a prophet?

Question 3 - Moving on to other issues... like the Bible

Question 4 - The Trinity and other issues

This is the second in our series of questions and answers with ministers of the message. Please click here to go to the first in our Q&A series.

BTS - Thursday, January 31, 2019, 2:35:40 PM

BM2,

Your spirited defense of William Branham as a prophet of God is understandable given your investment in him and his ministry. After all, to admit that Branham was a false prophet given that you have defended him and taught what he taught as scriptural doctrine for decades is tantamount to admitting that you pray to the wrong god.

Your denial, however, of prophecies which did not come to pass which Branham spoke is sad.

We aren’t the problem here. When we show what Branham said and compare it in plain language to God’s Word, you accuse us of having an agenda. Again, our agenda is nothing more or less than demonstrating using Branham’s own words that he is a liar, a fraud, and a false prophet. We didn’t say those things, Branham did. We didn’t proclaim that we are prophets of God, Branham did. And he was gracious enough to provide over 1100 sermons in digital format and in writing so we can do what the Word of God exhorts us to do and examine what he says against the Word of God.

Even Branham admitted that the South Africa prophecy did not come to pass. And ministers who accompanied Branham on his hunting trip to British Columbia admit that he did not shoot a brown bear on the trip which he proclaimed using The Saith The Lord would absolutely happen because “God’s Word has no lie in it.”

You have seen where the Municipal Bridge vision has been debunked for the reason that Branham was not even born when he claims the vision took place, and the Ohio River “vindication” of Branham as a prophet of God is complete destroyed given there isn’t even agreement from Branham himself about what really happened at the river that day through his many retellings.

We know through scripture that God has a ZERO TOLERANCE for when what a man proclaims as a prophet of God does not come to pass. And in previous emails I have named 4 contemporaneous prophecies which Branham spoke using the Authority of God, THUS SAITH THE LORD, which did not come to pass, were not true.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (HCSB)

20 But the prophet who dares to speak a message in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods—that prophet must die.’
21 You may say to yourself, ‘How can we recognize a message the LORD has not spoken?’
22 When a prophet speaks in the LORD’s name, and the message does not come true or is not fulfilled, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

You clearly will make excuses for Branham without admitting that he failed in his prophecies. I can appreciate your vigorous defense of the investment you have made in his ministry, but am somewhat baffled by your denial of the plain truth in front of you.

Visions and prophecies not coming to pass is but one attribute which makes a prophet a false prophet according to scripture.

Let us look at things which Branham taught which do not align with scripture.

We will start at the Old Testament where we can show you where what he teaches which does not align with God’s Word and disqualifies him as a prophet of God. Perhaps you can tell us how what Branham taught under God’s Authority which is incorrect qualifies him as a prophet of God as we go through this exercise..

Branham said this:

“Look, a woman is not even so low… She’s not even a creation in God.” 56-0715
“...Notice, the reason that animals couldn't do it, a female animal, they were in the original creation. But the woman was not in that original creation. Now we're going back to dig this up, then bring you right down to the modern day, in the Testament.” MARRIAGE.AND.DIVORCE JEFF.IN 65-0221M
“Now, there is nothing can stoop like her, and she is designed so that she can be deceiving. And Satan is really working on her today, in these last days, because he is her designer. I can prove that now. To go right back at the beginning, who started to work on her, Adam or Satan, God or Satan? See, that's her designer. It's her chief weapon to throw man to her filth, being a pretty woman, she can sway a man any way she wants to. Brother, it ain't the bootleg joint down here that gets the man; it's the pretty woman walking down the street, twisting herself, half dressed. That's what takes... That's the deceiver right there. And she is deadly with it, absolutely deadly. You may question me about Satan being her designer, but that's the Truth. Satan designed her. He still does it.” MARRIAGE.AND.DIVORCE JEFF.IN 65-0221M

There are many others, but these are just a few examples. But that’s not what the Bible says. The Bible says this:

Genesis 1:27 (HCSB)

27 So God created man in His own image; He created him in the image of God; He created them male and female.

Genesis 2:18-25 (HCSB)

18 Then the LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper as his complement.”
19 So the LORD God formed out of the ground every wild animal and every bird of the sky, and brought each to the man to see what he would call it. And whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.
20 The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the sky, and to every wild animal; but for the man no helper was found as his complement.
21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to come over the man, and he slept. God took one of his ribs and closed the flesh at that place.
22 Then the LORD God made the rib He had taken from the man into a woman and brought her to the man.
23 And the man said: This one, at last, is bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh; this one will be called “woman,” for she was taken from man.
24 This is why a man leaves his father and mother and bonds with his wife, and they become one flesh.
25 Both the man and his wife were naked, yet felt no shame.

Now, in the previous example (just one of many many many more which we are prepared to show you) Branham repeats and contends vigorously that women were not of God’s design, that Satan designed woman. Branham tells us plainly in his words that women are not created by God. Is this a position which you can defend? Given the scriptures which are clearly stated in scripture concerning the reason God created Eve, can you support Branham in this assertion?

Let’s look back at the assertion I made in the last email for a moment concerning Branham teaching nonsense and doing it using God’s Authority. When I spoke about Adam’s rib, you passed that off by saying that this man just didn’t know everything when he was born, and there isn’t an example of any man knowing everything. I agree. Men are not born knowing everything. But in that instance, Branham was speaking as God’s prophet asserting that he had God’s Authority to speak. When one speaks in this manner, should they be accurate when they speak? We can find no instance in scripture when a true prophet of God says ANYTHING with God’s Authority which is incorrect, not one instance. But here Branham does this and apparently a lot.

Clearly, this begs the question… Is there a RED-LETTER edition of the message a volume which shows us what we are to pay attention to and what we are to ignore? Who would create such an edition? What man would comb through Branham’s sermons and determine when he WAS speaking with God’s Authority and when he wasn’t? Would that person be you?

You see, the problem is that message ministers such as yourself teach what THEY believe are scriptural truths using Branham’s message. In the instance which I highlighted earlier concerning 24 versus 23 ribs in a man, message schools reinforced Branham’s teaching because after all he was a prophet of God… how could he possibly get that wrong? Who is it then who will determine and enforce across the world those things which SHOULD be taught which Branham said using God’s Authority and which should be ignored? Are you prepared to create that definitive red-letter edition?

And where in scripture do we see a true prophet of God teaching something using God’s Authority which was incorrect?

How does one discriminate within Branham’s message things like who created woman and how do we categorize it because Branham (who you vigorously defend as God’s true prophet) taught it using God’s Authority and got it wrong?

Further to Branham teaching things which do not align with scripture, Branham said this:

“And notice, back there in that evil day just before the destruction, when God had a man out preaching the Gospel, a poor man, humble man, not very much of the world, but a man who had a heart to listen to God: Noah. There was Noah and Enoch preaching at the same time. JUNCTION.OF.TIME JEFF.IN 56-0115
“Now, God sent His Word by His prophet, Noah. And when Noah and Enoch begin to prophesy... And then just before the flood struck, what happened? Enoch went up; Noah went through. See? Enoch was translated. Noah's sign was watching Enoch. When Enoch come up missing, then Noah knew the flood was at hand 'cause he was keeping his eye on Enoch.
Here come Noah and Enoch with THUS SAITH THE LORD, building away on an ark. Now, they said, "That old fellow up there on the hill building that ship, Old fellow, you're crazy." "But I've got, THUS SAITH THE LORD." Built right away, stood right in the door of the ark, preaching the Gospel, and building away, and watching Enoch.” CONFLICT.BETWEEN.GOD.AND.SATAN CLARKSVILLE.IN 62-0531

What does Genesis have to say about this?

Timeline from Adam to Noah


Name Generation Year of birth (Adam = 0) Age at death Year of death/translation Reference
Adam 1 0 930 930 Gen. 5:5
Seth 2 130 912 1042 Gen. 5:3, 8
Enosh 3 235 905 1140 Gen. 5:6, 11
Kenan 4 325 910 1235 Gen. 5:9, 14
Mahalalel 5 395 895 1290 Gen. 5:12, 17
Jared 6 460 962 1422 Gen. 5:15, 14
Enoch 7 622 365 987 Gen. 5:15, 23
Methuselah 8 687 969 1656 Gen. 5:21, 27
Lamech 9 874 777 1651 Gen. 5:25, 31
Noah 10 1056 950 2006 Gen. 5:9, 9:29
Name Generation Year of birth (Adam = 0) Age at death Year of death/translation Reference
Adam 1 0 930 930 Gen. 5:5
Seth 2 130 912 1042 Gen. 5:3, 8
Enosh 3 235 905 1140 Gen. 5:6, 11
Kenan 4 325 910 1235 Gen. 5:9, 14
Mahalalel 5 395 895 1290 Gen. 5:12, 17
Jared 6 460 962 1422 Gen. 5:15, 14
Enoch 7 622 365 987 Gen. 5:15, 23
Methuselah 8 687 969 1656 Gen. 5:21, 27
Lamech 9 874 777 1651 Gen. 5:25, 31
Noah 10 1056 950 2006 Gen. 5:9, 9:29

According to Genesis, Noah was born 69 years after Enoch was translated from the earth. Noah received instructions to build the ark roughly 400 years after Enoch’s translation.

And yet Branham taught that Enoch and Noah were on the earth at the same time in several instances throughout his ministry.

This is just a couple examples of where Branham taught something which does not align with scripture within the Book of Genesis. There are others, but for brevity sake we have included only two topics in just ONE BOOK of the Bible, the Inspired Word of God.

Is the Bible correct?? Or does Branham supersede the Bible and replace things which Branham taught?

This goes back to our discussion of the RED-LETTER EDITION. Are you prepared to create the final “approved” version of Branham’s message so everyone can know what God’s Word really says?

In the meanwhile, there are message ministers who study very little or not at all so they repeat these things as the “newly revealed Word of God”, the “Next Testament”. People buy in to this nonsense, just like they teach in message schools that men only have 23 ribs.

Defending prophecies and visions which do not come to pass is easy for you as it seems there is a never-ending list of excuses about why what Branham said never came to pass… “oh, but it will”, or “it has but you just don’t realize it”. Let’s see how you do when it comes to defending Branham as he teaches things which are directly opposed to God’s Word, as we started here with the Book of Genesis. There will be others, I promise. The Bible is full of examples of where what Branham taught in his “Next Testament” does not align with God’s Word.

Your personal conclusions mean very little to me when you defend someone so egregiously extra- and anti-scriptural. I wonder that you still call yourself a minister of the Gospel when as you preach what Branham said it bears so little resemblance to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

But I await your response.

BTS2

BM2 Response - Saturday, February 2, 2019 10:43 AM

Brother BTS2,

You said >>>> Your spirited defense of William Branham as a prophet of God is understandable given your investment in him and his ministry. After all, to admit that Branham was a false prophet given that you have defended him and taught what he taught as scriptural doctrine for decades is tantamount to admitting that you pray to the wrong god. Your denial, however, of prophecies which did not come to pass which Branham spoke is sad.

I say.....Why should I or anyone else lie..... or even twist facts as you have done. So far...you have taken incidents out of their settings and through presenting only part of the full truth of the matter....attempted to smear a man's ministry. Myself and others.....who have been in and around William Branham's ministry and communicated with many witnesses and who literally saw the questioned events.....have said that you bend the events ....to fit your agenda.

THE BRIDGE IS THERE...BIG AS LIFE and exactly on the spot where the Vision said it would be. The witnesses say.... that several men fell off of the 1st water pylon...though the exact number ....can't be proven either way. The age of William Branham at 7 and the 22 years given by the Vision and also the recent instructions by Divine visitation....place the exact time of the bridges' completion. In fact.... from fall of the year when the Vision was given.... to the fall of the year at its completion in 29.

You tried the failed healing angle and were shown by instances...both personally by my own experience and by Scripture....that states emphatically .....that an evil spirit.... can come back on a person after healing and they can be worse off ....than before the healing. They might even die after a perfect complete deliverance. That doesn't prove they weren't healed at the time of being prayed for previously...by no means! It does show a lack of Scriptural understanding on your part Brother....concerning basic Bible truths.

Now you come up with a rather ludicrous "WRONG GOD" angle. The GOD that I pray to.... has been faithfully demonstrated for years...in healing the sick and casting out devils....which devils by the way....have agreed with you.... in despising Brother Branham's ministry. The GOD that William Branham prayed to....defeated all other gods....that challenged him....bar none. You are the one that I feel sorry for...seeing that you have no god to demonstrate to anyone...just an argument .....based on hate and opinion.

You said >>>>We know through scripture that God has a ZERO TOLERANCE for when what a man proclaims as a prophet of God does not come to pass. And in previous emails I have named 4 contemporaneous prophecies which Branham spoke using the Authority of God, THUS SAITH THE LORD, which did not come to pass, were not true.

I say......In our exchanges...we have gone over the Old Testament reference to prophets....a couple of times. Even under the LAW....if a prophet doesn't try to lead the people to false gods....he is to be ignored....NOT KILLED!

I will say...that if an Old Testament prophet tried to teach a Trinity of persons....he would have been killed immediately....RIGHT? How many.... of that kind of prophets.... are a part of/in your bunch?

In the new Testament.... it is said by Paul in 1 Cor.13:8-10....that even prophesying in part is tolerated and that.... without any stated penalty. I remember your emphasizing in our earlier exchanges.....that we aren't under the LAW ...but under GRACE!!!! Which is it Brother. You seem to pick and choose to fit your agenda.

We have shown you.... by Scriptural reference in FACT....that most of the Prophecies of the Book of Revelation haven't happened yet. That doesn't make the Visions false ....nor does it prove that it won't come to pass. You are doing the same thing the unbelieving critics of written Scriptural prophecies do...by claiming prophecies failed.... because they have not yet happened. I say the Visions will come to pass...you say they won't. I can't prove my Faith to an unbeliever and you can't prove your unbelief to a believer ....RIGHT?

If I am wrong...at least I didn't speak against the Visions and if you are wrong...you have called something of the Holy Ghost.... an unclean and evil thing. That's in the reprobate category.

Matthew 12:32.....And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

I say..... I think I'll take my chances on believing that they will come to pass...... it's called FAITH. Don't cast the Visions off onto the man....he didn't give himself the Visions. I believe it was GOD that gave them. I'm hoping that you don't believe ....that it was the devil that gave the Visions. It's your choice and fatal.... if you make the wrong one.

I am of the FAITH...that believes that GOD could have and would have..... raised Isaac from the dead...... to fulfill His Word to Abraham. In Isaac..... the true SEED of GOD are to be called. That prophecy projected in time.... to the LORD JESUS raising to fulfill prophecy and then in the endtime.... to those who He will raise in the manifestation of the Sons of GOD. I believe ....that all the yet unfulfilled Visions given to William Branham will come to pass....as surely as the Prophecy given to Isaiah over 500 years before it happened...that a virgin would conceive. That prophecy probably really stumbled the critics.

You said >>>>> We will start at the Old Testament where we can show you where what he teaches which does not align with God’s Word and disqualifies him as a prophet of God. Perhaps you can tell us how what Branham taught under God’s Authority which is incorrect qualifies him as a prophet of God as we go through this exercise..

Branham said this:“Look, a woman is not even so low… She’s not even a creation in God.” 56-0715“...

” MARRIAGE.AND.DIVORCE JEFF.IN 65-0221M.....Notice, the reason that animals couldn't do it, a female animal, they were in the original creation. But the woman was not in that original creation. Now we're going back to dig this up, then bring you right down to the modern day, in the Testament

I say.....You lifted the 56 statement out of context....TOTALLY!!!!! He explains the rest in the same paragraph afterwards.

Let's examine the Scriptural FACTS of the statements.

FACT....All males and females in the ORIGINAL creation....outside of mankind .....were created together at the same time.

FACT.... Adam ALONE....was created in the human specie.... in human creation order. The Female...Eve....was not in the original creation of the human specie.

FACT....No animal in creation was told not to eat of the tree...except Adam and Eve.

FACT....GOD set in His order and by His ordained purpose...so that there could be.... by human choice....the fall.

FACT.....Adam and Eve were given responsibility and responsibility can't be achieved without CHOICE (Free moral agency)!

FACT.....Eve was created secondarily.... to be the source of UNBELIEF by being deceived.....it was her choice!

FACT....Eve was deceived.... as Paul taught explicitly in 2Cor. 11: 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

FACT.....None of creation outside of human....can commit adultery.

FACT....We could fill a page or two carrying the thought through Scripture and show without question...(to a Bible believer)....why the woman was cursed and the man was not and also why that through Scripture....the woman was assigned by GOD....a subjective place in all things......PERIOD!

You said >>>> Let’s look back at the assertion I made in the last email for moment concerning Branham teaching nonsense and doing it using God’s Authority. When I spoke about Adam’s rib, you passed that off by saying that this man just didn’t know everything when he was born, and there isn’t an example of any man knowing everything. I agree. Men are not born knowing everything. But in that instance, Branham was speaking as God’s prophet asserting that he had God’s Authority to speak. When one speaks in this manner, should they be accurate when they speak? We can find no instance in scripture when a true prophet of God says ANYTHING with God’s Authority which is incorrect, not one instance. But here Branham does this and apparently a lot.

Clearly this begs the question… Is there a RED-LETTER edition of the message a volume which shows us what we are to pay attention to and what we are to ignore? Who would create such an edition? What man would comb through Branham’s sermons and determine when he WAS speaking with God’s Authority and when he wasn’t? Would that person be you?

I say......William Branham grew in both natural and spiritual understanding....no differently than any Son or Daughter of GOD grows. He didn't live in Heaven. Your position is actually ridiculous and defies common sense.

I attempted to call to your attention in all reasonability....that Paul...before his Damascus road experience...believed and taught totally contrary to the Apostles. If we had 1100 or so recorded teachings of Paul...would you use them.... to teach against his later teachings??? We don't have his recorded teachings against the Apostolic doctrine...but there is enough evidence from his own writings to identify his errors and that he persecuted the Church above measure. He laid his garment at the feet of the recently slain Stephen... as a witness against Stephen's belief. It could be shown without question....about the Prophets in the Bible...who made errors in judgment...lied and deceived purposely...yet their position as GOD's chosen Prophet is not negated....ever!

Your thought processes on this.... are pitifully twisted and self serving.

You can't prove that William Branham ever purposely deceived anyone. In FACT....all that knew him...have testified that he was the most honest man they had ever known. I would venture to say...that you never met him...much less knew him personally. So...your accusations are only based on what you interpret..... from what you want to hear on recordings and that.....without actually knowing the circumstances of statements made.....nor the details behind them. In my research....I have found in many cases....THE REST OF THE STORY!

Even in the Seals teachings...Brother Branham would make statements that he had to change the next night. He was corrected from his thinking ....to what was shown by open Vision..... from one service to the next. Whoever the Elect are...they are given the ability to discern and locate in/through Scripture....the mysteries of GOD. IT IS NOT GIVEN TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT ELECT....Scripture affirms this!

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

BM2

BTS2 - Saturday, February 2, 2019, 11:53:46 AM MST

BM2,

Are you suggesting that Branham’s vision had to do with the bridge being built? Really? His vision had to do with 16 men who fell into the water and drowned while the bridge was being built, according to Branham… an incident which never occurred.

By the way, we absolutely agree. Since Branham’s visions failed, then let’s not kill him… as you suggest, let’s ignore him. When do you start?

And again, the only person who claimed falsely to be a prophet of God was William Branham… certainly not I.

Concerning the gift of prophecy, I attach our previous discussion. Clearly it has slipped your mind:

“As to the definition of a prophet of God and whether Deuteronomy chapters 13 and 18 apply, the shortest answer I can provide is this: William Branham proclaimed himself a prophet in the caste of an OLD TESTAMENT prophet several times. That is to say, he himself told us in many of his over 1100 sermons that he was the prophet messenger who was charged by God to carry God’s Word to his generation just as the Old Testament prophets were charged by God to be an ambassador, a representative of God’s Word to His people. If you caste yourself as an Old Testament prophet, then the Old Testament examinations of a prophet of God apply.

In this quote, Branham refers directly to Deuteronomy Chapter 18 and declares that this IS the appropriate examination of him as a prophet of God:

“God said, "If there be one among you, who is spiritual or a prophet, and what he says comes to pass, then hear him, for I am with him. But if it don't come to pass, well, don't hear him." And it must not just be once, it must continually all the time; from prophets. There is a gift of prophecy, that's in the church, which is to be examined by the--by the examiners, before it can be told to the church, of course. "Let it be before two or three judges, and then it's told to her." But a prophet is borned a prophet, predestinated, foreordained.” PERSEVERANT_ DALLAS.TX V-19 N-9 THURSDAY_ 64-0305

William Branham also said this:

“The only thing, that, we're so dull in faith, till we fail to see Him. That's the reason God sends prophets to the earth. See, people won't read their Bible. And they--they don't. They just go, so God always sends them a sign. And usually a prophet is a sign. See? And today the Holy Ghost is our Sign, 'cause He is God's Prophet moving through us. He is God's Prophet, a Sign of the last days.” 62-0123 FORSAKING.ALL_ TEMPE.AZ TUESDAY_
“...She said, "Reverend Branham, if I want somebody, talk to me about like that, I'll get somebody that's got some sense; not you." I said, "Very well. I have done all I can do. Remember, sister, you--if you blaspheme the Holy Ghost, you'll never be saved.”” 53-0611 SHOW.US.THE.FATHER.AND.IT'LL.SATISFY.US_ CONNERSVILLE.IN
“Testament seer was a man who had "the Divine interpretation of the Word," and was proven by the Word coming to him and foreseeing it. That was what...[8]
But, Lord, You promised that You would be the Word, and You are the Word. "And I will come to you, and make Myself known unto you." We find that Your systems, Your system, never changes. When You come in the Old Testament, You said, "The Word came to the prophets." And when It did, they prophesied and It come to pass, because It was God.” THE.WORLD.IS.AGAIN.FALLING.APART_ SHP.LA V-17 N-4 WEDNESDAY_ 63-1127
“When God makes a promise and God says... In--in the beginning, in Genesis, He lotted His Word to each age as It come down from the beginning to the end. And, down through these ages, the church world has got all these things all mixed up by traditions, and so forth, and God always sends on the scene, down through the Old Testament and New, prophets! And the Word of the Lord comes to the prophet.” GOD.IS.HIS.OWN.INTERPRETER_ BAKF.CA V-8 N-6 WEDNESDAY_ 64-0205
"...Hebrews, 1st chapter, "God, in sundry times and divers manners spake to the fathers by the prophets." And those prophets! The church got all so twisted up that when... Those prophets, those daring messengers of God, come without church, without denomination, without organization, without anything; defied kings, kingdoms, churches, and everything. When the priests was brought before... They was brought before the priests, they wasn't ashamed, because they had directly THUS SAITH THE LORD. If you notice, the prophet, in one sense of the word, in the Old Testament, when he said THUS SAITH THE LORD, now watch him, he goes right into the phrase of taking the place of God. You notice, when he placed out before him, THUS SAITH THE LORD, he fell right into God, and he acted as God. Then he gave his Message, which was God speaking through him, "THUS SAITH THE LORD!"” ASHAMED_ JEFF.IN V-3 N-9 SUNDAY_ 65-0711
“I'm going to say this for my first time, over the pulpit [he'd actually already said it many times]. I've stretched out farther tonight, on This, than I have on anything else, any time, anyhow, before the public, because I've had a great freedom in these meetings. If you believe me to be God's prophet, you listen to what I've told you.” 65-0429E - The Choosing Of A Bride

You see, BM2, we can only examine what Branham said in his own words against the Word of God. That’s what scripture instructs us to do in order to determine whether these things are “actually so”, just like the Bereans did:

Acts 17:10-11 (HCSB)

10 As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas off to Berea. On arrival, they went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 The people here were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, since they welcomed the message with eagerness and examined the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

We see that Branham inappropriately placed himself in the position of an OLD TESTAMENT prophet carrying God’s Word and singularly representing God to the people. In previous emails, I included quotes from Branham where he stated that he was the “LAST SIGN”, and he told us in his sermons that his interpretation of the Bible was correct including those things which I just quoted:

“Now, let us all pray. Lord, with our heads bowed, just now, it's got to be known that Your Scripture's the truth, and I've told the truth of It, or either, I am wrong and a false prophet, or Your Scripture has misled us. Now, Lord, we know that that's not so. We know that Your Scriptures are Truth.” LED.BY.THE.SPIRIT_ LA.CA TUESDAY_ 59-0407

When we examine Branham against the Word of God, what other possible conclusion are we to make? He considers himself a prophet in the caste of an OLD TESTAMENT prophet. Isn’t it appropriate for him to be examined against how an OLD TESTAMENT prophet is examined in the Word of God?

Had Branham said he received a Word from the Lord, had what he said aligned with scripture, had he not lied in the Name of the Lord (THUS SAITH THE LORD), and had two or three other prophets confirmed what he said, then we would have reason to examine him as a minister of God with the Gift of the Holy Spirit of prophecy.

1 Corinthians 14:29-33 (HCSB)

29 Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should evaluate.
30 But if something has been revealed to another person sitting there, the first prophet should be silent.
31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that everyone may learn and everyone may be encouraged.
32 And the prophets’ spirits are under the control of the prophets,
33 since God is not a God of disorder but of peace…

Then we could respectfully disagree or agree that he was a man of God. But since Branham improperly placed himself in a different role, we must examine him according to the position in which he caste himself.

This scripture tells us that the prophets are under the control of the prophets. The Apostle Paul wrote these words to clarify for us the prophet’s role in the NEW COVENANT of God after the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for our sins. Branham tells us that he is not under the control of the prophets in the NEW COVENANT:

“Look what it puts me before, when I'm up there before the public. Look at that. What about one error on that? See? Because I trust Him. See? I trust Him. Someone say, "You afraid of a mistake, Brother Branham." No, no, huh-uh, ain't afraid of a mistake. I believe Him. He is my Protection. I'm ordained to do this, so I'll stay right there. If God's ordained you to do something, then He's your Protection. See, He will protect you. If He's sent you, He'll back up your word. You're an ambassador then. You're ambassador with the gift of tongues; you're ambassador with the gift of interpretation; you're ambassador with the gift of discernment, the three of you. See what I mean? Then what have you got? You got a solid church. You wouldn't fear standing yet no more than yesterday.” QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS_ JEFF.IN COD THURSDAY_ 61-0112

Using Branham’s own words, we see how he would suggest that we are to examine him against scripture. Deuteronomy Chapter 18 does indeed apply.”

What we do is simple we take BRANHAM’S WORDS and show them to you. Branham tells us that he is an OLD TESTAMENT PROPHET. We understand that the Holy Spirit offers the gift of prophecy, and we think that’s great. But the use of that gift differs dramatically from what Branham claimed he exercised. And to suggest that “FAITH” in the visions and prophecies is more of what is needed, I will tell you that we are instructed by scripture to examine what a prophet of God says against the Word of God. We do this, as previously stated, just as the Bereans did:

Acts 17:10-11 (HCSB)

10 As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas off to Berea. On arrival, they went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 The people here were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, since they welcomed the message with eagerness and examined the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

And, again… good catch about most of the prophecies which were spoken in the Book of Revelation not having come to pass yet. That’s because, as you may remember our previous discussion, a prophet speaks about three time periods:

  1. First coming of Christ (Branham was too late for this)
  2. Things which occurred during the prophet’s life time (Contemporaneous events) – AND –
  3. Second coming of Christ (the Book of Revelations speaks to us here as John the Revelator reveals).

Sir, if we have to continue to repeat ourselves, it shows that you really aren’t paying attention or we aren’t being articulate enough. If we need to be more articulate let us know.

Concerning Adam and Eve, you again are obfuscating. We understand the creation story. But you seem to be ignoring that Branham said that Eve was not designed and created by God contrary to the very Word of God. We understand about the “fall”. And we agree with the Apostle Paul… there hasn’t been disagreement about that. What is at issue is what Branham taught, not what you wish to speak about concerning the “fall”.

And I see that you failed to speak at all about Enoch and Noah.

Let’s take a look at another couple of Books in the Bible.

How about the Books of 1 and 2 Samuel? 1 Samuel talks about King Saul among other things.

Here’s what Branham taught several times (more by the way than these couple of examples):

“So they searched out through the country. And down in the tribe of Benjamin they found a man by the name of Kish, who had a son named Saul. And they chose him.” 56-0613 JEHOVAH.JIREH_ INDIANAPOLIS.IN WEDNESDAY_

According to Branham, the people of the Nation of Israel searched the land until they found for themselves Saul and elected him to be their king despite Samuel’s counsel.

“Now, the people chose Saul, when Samuel absolutely told them not to do it…” 65-0221M MARRIAGE.AND.DIVORCE_ JEFFERSONVILLE.IN V-3 N-13 SUNDAY

What does the Bible say about who selected Saul?

1 Samuel 9:15-17 (HCSB)

15 Now the day before Saul’s arrival, the LORD had informed Samuel,
16 “At this time tomorrow I will send you a man from the land of Benjamin. Anoint him ruler over My people Israel. He will save them from the hand of the Philistines because I have seen ⌊the affliction of⌋ My people, for their cry has come to Me.”
17 When Samuel saw Saul, the LORD told him, “Here is the man I told you about; he will rule over My people.”

The Bible says God Himself selected Saul and told Samuel to anoint him king over the nation.

You have mentioned now several times that Branham grew in his understanding of things, scriptural and intellectual. We think that’s great for a minister, or a preacher, or even an evangelist. However, we come to quite a problem when someone, as Branham did, proclaims that he speaks with God’s Authority, and suggests that nothing he said had to be changed or edited as Branham did here:

“BUT I DENY UPON THE INFALLIBLE EVIDENCE OF THE WORD THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE MAJOR PROPHET-MESSENGER WHO WILL REVEAL THE MYSTERIES AS CONTAINED IN THE WORD, AND WHO HAS THE MINISTRY TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE CHILDREN TO THE FATHERS. "Thus saith the Lord" by His unfailing Word stands, and shall stand and be vindicated. There is one prophet-messenger to this age. On the basis of human behavior alone, anyone knows that where there are many people there is even divided opinion on lesser points of a major doctrine which they all hold together. Who then will have the power of infallibility which is to be restored in this last age, for this last age is going to go back to manifesting the Pure Word Bride? That means we will have the Word once again as it was perfectly given, and perfectly understood in the days of Paul. I will tell you who will have it. It will be a prophet as thoroughly vindicated, or even more thoroughly vindicated than was any prophet in all the ages from Enoch to this day, because this man will of necessity have the capstone prophetic ministry, and God will shew him forth. He won't need to speak for himself, God will speak for him by the voice of the sign. Amen.” An Exposition Of The Seven Church Ages - Chapter Nine - The Laodicean Church Age

You see, here again… these things aren’t our views, our opinions. We take what BRANHAM SAID and we show them to you.

So, let’s return to the question of the RED-LETTER edition of the message. Who will prepare that? Which portions of the message are you prepared to ignore knowing that Branham was growing in his understanding? And how does growing in his understand square with what the Bible tells us about God’s ZERO-TOLERANCE policy of a prophet speaking that which does not align with God’s Word?

I would like to offer a suggestion. In future emails, it would be shorter and more concise if we could not repeat what we clearly stated in earlier emails. Perhaps we could focus on the issues being presented instead of your attempts to cast aspersions on us.

I look forward to your next response.

BTS2

BM2 - Wednesday, February 6, 2019 12:54 PM

BM2,

You said >>>>Are you suggesting that Branham’s vision had to do with the bridge being built? Really? His vision had to do with 16 men who fell into the water and drowned while the bridge was being built, according to Branham… an incident which never occurred.

I say.....What never occurred? If you are referring specifically to the bridge Vision itself....yes Brother...that's my subject reference. A couple below.... of many statements.... referring to the bridge Vision.... fortelling the bridge spanning at the same place he saw the Vision! Exact place and time it was finished! The scaffolding collapse was seen by witnesses...with only the number falling being left in question. 3 out of 3.... by provable audio testimony and visible evidence and you say it never occurred????? Are you in denial???

50-0713 - Obey The Voice Of The Angel.....I seen the Municipal Bridge, at Jeffersonville, cross, come up out of the wilderness on the hill where I was standing, and crossed the river. I seen sixteen men fall off of it. They put that down and twenty-two years from that day, the Municipal Bridge spanned the river at the same place and sixteen men lost their life on it.
59-0419A - My Life Story.....And we were right up on the bank from the Ohio River. And I looked down towards Jeffersonville, and I seen a bridge rise up and go across that, the river, span the river. And I seen sixteen men (I counted them) that dropped off of there and lost their lives on that bridge. I run in real quick and told my mother, and she thought I went to sleep. But they kept it in mind, and twenty-two years from then the Municipal Bridge now (that many of you cross when you cross there) crossed the river at the same place, and sixteen men lost their life building that bridge across the river.

You said >>>>By the way, we absolutely agree. Since Branham’s visions failed, then let’s not kill him… as you suggest, let’s ignore him. When do you start?

I say......When did I ever agree that his Visions failed???? As a living witness...I watched night after night....as scores of Visions manifested in specific demonstration every night and not one time did the person standing before him .....say it wasn't so. The testimonies I heard later..... given by the recipients of those Visions was....that man is a Prophet of GOD! As I have stated before....there has never been a ministry of that magnitude in power and demonstration...since the time of the LORD JESUS. It's your right to ignore anything you wish...but just ignoring.... is not working to destroy...with all that love you show for a Brother..... who won millions to Christ.

You said >>>>When we examine Branham against the Word of God, what other possible conclusion are we to make? He considers himself a prophet in the caste of an OLD TESTAMENT prophet. Isn’t it appropriate for him to be examined against how an OLD TESTAMENT prophet is examined in the Word of God?

I say......Examining any Old Testament Prophet's life and ministry.... must be done with a little spiritual insight. We have brought to your attention....that Prophets of the Old Testament were men....subject to human flaws. Abraham lied to deceive Abimelech....Jacob defrauded his Brother and deceived his own dad....Jonah prophesied the destruction of Nineveh and when it didn't happen. After prophesying....he sat on the side of a hill....waiting for Nineveh's destruction and the Prophet David..... committed Adultery purposely. Now...by your carnal judging...they would by/of necessity...... have to be under your false prophet heading.

The record of Old Testament Prophets has purposeful projected lessons of failure and victory for all Saints and for all of time. I think/see that you have only a limited mechanical comprehension of Scriptural teachable events and completely miss the deeper hidden truths .....to be garnered by Holy Ghost insight to/for the Elect. I believe it is called..... Revelation!

We examine William Branham's ministry over 33 years and see a real man...who wasn't afraid to admit his mistakes and stand correction when rebuked by GOD. We watched him be led of the Holy Ghost...into truth...just as Scripture states. One cannot be led into truth....without being corrected of errors. That's common sense!

In his visitation.... concerning the 7 mountains that GOD pointed out to him...GOD gave His correction and also reminded Brother Branham of his commission. GOD told Brother Branham..... that his ministry was GREATER than that of the Old Testament Prophets...with more Gifts and in an Apostolic form.....which the Old Testament Prophets didn't have. I think GOD's thoughts pertaining to William Branham.... are greater than your agenda to find fault and destroy! Don't you think it unusual.... that the whole area that GOD told Brother Branham..... that had his Name all over it....is actually called the Branham mountains..... Branham lake and even the soil is called Branham soil. I'm sure that galls your hate agenda.

63-0623M - Standing In The Gap 117 So he went to sleep, and I went speeding down the road, about fifty-five miles an hour, in the truck, over the mountain, coming on towards the—the border, down to…Coming home to Arizona, but I was coming now into Utah. And as I got there, coming down from the mountains, about twenty miles out of the city, just as if…You’ve heard it, as I told you about the morning about the squirrels, and all these things, how something…Somebody went to talking to me, a Voice just the same as you hear mine. I know it sounds neurotically. But as I’ve got through expressing, “Have I ever told you anything but what was right?” And a—a Voice got to talking. I was talking to Him. 118 It said, “Carry out your plans and you’ll be like that.” I said, “Lord, I don’t want to be like that.” 119 Said, “Your wife will go, too. She won’t live up there in them hills like that. And you’ll become a bum just as the dream showed you you would.” 120 I said, “I don’t want to be that, but the…I—I—I don’t want to have to live like that. I—I want to do something different. But I—I was told that—that You had called me to be a—a prophet, and I want to live in the wilderness like the prophet.” But I was using my own excuse so I could hunt; my own good. 121 And He said, “But that was the prophets of the Old Testament. You’ve been called to be there in a much higher office than that.” He said, “You have more gifts besides that. You was called to pray for the sick and to preach the Gospel. And in the apostolic form, you know of—of greater things, many great gifts.” He said, “Why do you wait for Me to move you every time you move? Where is your reward?” Then I seen. And then said, “Do you remember?” I told you…?… “Do you remember what Brother Roberson told you in your dream, in his dream, or vision? That you had done like Moses. You’ve forgot the feeling of your people. You forgot the call that I called you to.”

By the way...it is not I who brings dispersion on your movement. It is your not so veiled hate speech...arrived at by part truths and twisted interpretations of events. I have thoroughly checked out what you have presented so far and find it seriously biased. If GOD judges your bunch...as you have smeared William Branham's ministry....I think you are in serious trouble.

Romans 8:30------Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

ABM2

BTS2 - Thursday, February 7, 2019, 2:39:15 PM

BM2,

It occurs to me as I read your latest email that there remains a serious issue. We, the two of us, have entirely different views of what scripture says about a person who proclaims that they are a prophet and how they actually qualify as a prophet of God.

You may remember, and I won’t repeat it here for brevity, that we discussed exactly how scripture tells us we must examine a man to determine if they are a true prophet.

So far your excuses for failed visions have been faulty math, a witness whose math is just as faulty, ignoring the key issues of the vision (16 men falling into the water and drowning as Branham said versus alternative theories), and speaking about Branham progressing in his maturity and walk with God. By the way, the last excuse offered is what I will be referring to as “progressive revelation”. Or you haven’t bothered to offer any refutation of what Branham said at all (correctly because what he says in many cases is totally indefensible).

So, you have told me that God Himself corrected Branham in things which he spoke early in his ministry which God needed to, let’s say to be generous, “fine tune”.

What that tells me, and make sure if you disagree you let me know, if Branham spoke something early in his ministry and later changed it, that God obviously corrected him and now he spoke with God’s true Authority. That’s sort of the point of my asking about the RED-LETTER EDITION of the message, but let’s not belabor the point.

How about when Branham tells us something, then changes his teaching presumably because God corrected him, and then he goes back to teaching it the way he did before God’s correction? Do you think if Branham were to be corrected by God that he would forget what God corrected him about?

There are too many examples of this to be exhaustive, so, let’s just start with this example:

"Mark my word; write it in the pages of your Bible, for it's THUS SAITH THE LORD, "Remember, when we land in India, you're going to hear of tens of thousands times thousands being saved." The Holy Spirit has said it; I've wrote it here in my Bible; it's wrote in tens of thousands of Bibles right here, like the resurrection of the little boy. By a vision that He said, "There's three hundred thousand of them in there." And you see if that isn't right. There's how the Gospel's going to be preached just overnight. She'll just sweep like that from place to place." 54-0515 (NOTE THE DATE)

Then this...

"And someone was speaking this morning about the African campaign in the book, I believe Brother Boze and many the others, about a article I believe that someone read or something. It started the wheel a rolling or something. Well, however... I thought, maybe, I'd just give you a little testimony of something that happened, and if you read that article, and knowing what happened, I thought I would drop over to something of a testimony that happened in India. Maybe you're interested in our Lord's work, because we're just laborers out here in the harvest that's gathered in this morning for under the tree for a little rest and a time of fellowship together. And when... I had been very much constrained to go to — to India. And yet, as many of you might know, the Indian trip wasn't the success that it should've been, because I failed to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, and never recognized it after He give me a vision to go to Africa first and then to India. And — and some of the brethren said, "Oh, just... We can't get Africa together, so... Brother Roberts has just been down there, so take off to India." And under the influence of my brethren, well maybe taught... But no matter what someone influences you, if God has told you something different... And now, judge it by the Word (See?), by the Word, and then go. You know, we're not supposed... As — as prophets together, we are to help one another, but never tell one another what to do. Many of you has read Second Kings 13, no doubt. Where what got in trouble there, and a lion killed the prophet because that he — he listened to the — a real true prophet, because God had commissioned him. God comes first always. And when... And then let that be... If you know whether it's God or not, judge it by the Word always. If it's not just exactly with the Word, be leery of it. See?" 57-0126B (NOTE THE DATE WHERE HE ADMITS THAT IT WASN’T AS EXPECTED)

But then back to this...

"That's how these things happen. That's why I can stand and say to the world, "Has the Word ever failed?" God promised me, back there, as a kid. That's the reason. Say, "Aren't you afraid of failing?" I'm never. I'm always a failure. He never does. I don't speak my words. I speak His. That's the reason They're always right. See? That's the reason I ask the world, "Show me one time it didn't come to pass. Show me one time, by the thousands of things that He said." Not one time did It fail, and It never will, because It's God, not man." 63-0412E (NOTES THE DATE WHERE HE SAYS GOD WOULD NOT LIE IN THE FIRST PLACE)

I look at scripture and I see this about how a true prophet’s words never fall to the ground:

1 Samuel 3:19-20 (KJV)

19 And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him, and did let none of his words fall to the ground.
20 And all Israel from Dan even to Beersheba knew that Samuel was established to be a prophet of the LORD.

Note here how God’s Word tells us that NONE OF SAMUEL’S WORDS FELL TO THE GROUND, AND SAMUEL WAS ESTABLISHED AS A PROPHET BECAUSE OF THAT VERY THING.

Here’s another example of where what Branham taught was “corrected” and then he taught something else again (this one you’ll like, you mentioned this earlier, the TRINITY:

"And now, there are those sitting here who are feeble this afternoon, that's in need of physical healing. And we have chosen these few words to read from Thine. And may the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Trinity, come in now, the Promise, the Comforter, that You said You would send." 51-0729A THE.RESURRECTION.OF.LAZARUS (NOTE THE DATE)
"God is perfect in three. He's perfect. [Brother Branham clears his throat--Ed.] Pardon me. He's perfect in Father, Son, Holy Spirit. He's perfect in justification, sanctification, baptism of the Holy Spirit. He's perfected in His threes." 53-0403 THE.CRUELTY.OF.SIN (NOTE THE DATE)
"God's in a trinity, God's powers is in a trinity; and the devil's in a trinity, and his powers is in trinity. I can prove it by the Bible. And that Urim Thummim was only the crystal ball that the devil uses today; and the false prophet back here today, the one that we have now, was the witch; or, the fortuneteller out yonder took the place of the prophet on the devil's side. See what I mean?" 53-0609A DEMONOLOGY.RELIGIOUS.REALM (NOTE THE DATE)

But he must have gotten correction from God...

"You say, "The blessed holy trinity." Find me the word "trinity" anywhere in the pages of God's Bible. It's a man-made scheme, an old dirty church rag wrapped around to take the place of the sap Line of God's Holy Spirit. There's no such a thing. There's no such a thing. You find it and come to me. You're duty bound to do it as a Christian, if you find it. It's not in God's holy Writings. And the "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" is hatched out of hell." 59-0823 PALMERWORM.LOCUST.CANKERWORM.CATERPILLAR (NOTE THE DATE)
"Where do you get that triune, pagan doctrine? Out of a catechism, not out of the Bible. The word "trinity" is not even mentioned in the whole Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation. There's no such a thing. There is no such a thing as a trinitarian god." 60-0925 THAT.DAY.ON.CALVARY (NOTE THE DATE)
"Now, my precious brother, I know this is a tape also. Now, don't get excited. Let me say this with godly love, the hour has approached where I can't hold still on these things no more, too close to the Coming. See? "Trinitarianism is of the devil!" I say that THUS SAITH THE LORD! Look where it come from. It come from the Nicene Council when the Catholic church become in rulership. The word "trinity" is not even mentioned in the entire Book of the Bible." 61-0108 REVELATION.CHAPTER.FOUR.3 (NOTE THE DATE)

Then did God change His mind back again?

"But now the true trinity of God, being One manifested in Christ, Who was Life, and had broke the Seals and conquered the enemy, and rose up, the one true and living God. "I am He that was dead, and I'm alive forevermore, and have the keys of death and hell." God, in One, made Man, and dwelt among us, and conquered every enemy. And had proved that the trinity of Satan was conquered, and that the trinity of God was made known, 'cause only God alone had power to bring Life back again. He was that Emmanuel. God had been manifested in the flesh." 65-0418M IT.IS.THE.RISING.OF.THE.SUN (NOTE THE DATE)
Again, this isn’t an exhaustive review of instances where Branham taught one thing, then God apparently corrected him and he taught it differently, then he returned to his original teaching again.  There are lots more that I could show you, but this is a pretty limited medium, this email.  So, let’s stick to these few examples.

Progressive revelation? Not according to scripture. According to God’s Word, NO WORDS THAT A TRUE PROPHET SPEAKS WILL BE ALLOWED TO FALL TO THE GROUND. And yet we see Branham speaking where he has a dispensation, heretofore unheard of and unknown, where he gets the chance to speak in the Name of the Lord, with God’s Own Authority, and what he teaches does not align with scripture, especially after he goes back to teaching what he taught originally. That’s quite a dispensation. Can you please show me in scripture where this is true of prophets of God?

You mentioned that you resent that we would have the agenda of destroying someone’s ministry who brought “millions” (really? Millions?) to Christ. The number being dubious is not nearly the issue. The issue with your statement is what we continue to repeat for your edification. If Branham had presented himself as a mere preacher, minister, or even evangelist, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. The fact is that Branham presented himself as the “LAST SIGN”, the “FINAL MESSENGER”, the “ELIJAH” who would forerun the second coming of Christ. And that mantel carries a different burden with different examination. As we see in God’s Word when Samuel was given God’s Word, a true prophet NEVER teaches that which does not align with the Lord.

Speaking of the number “millions”… what happened to “few” as you mentioned in this and earlier emails??

Can you imagine for a moment how confusing it would have been in Old Testament times if a prophet of God would teach something to God’s People, but the people had to figure out if it was REALLY GOD’S WORD, or had God had an opportunity to “correct” the prophet?

Branham even spoke about “updating his prophecies”! How does that work? God gave me a prophecy, but I have to change it so… ignore that one, I’ll update it???

I'd like to read you a prophecy that was given. I got on... And many... By the way, Mr. Mercier and many of them are going to take some of these old prophecies, and dig them out, and revise them a little, or bring them up to date, and put them in papers.

Branham, 60-1113

Wow… updating the Word of God given to a prophet to present to God’s People. Unbelievable.

I will tell you that we disagree with your assessment about the prophets of the old testament and their veracity. The one I would like to address is Jonah.

Jonah was given a prophecy from the Lord God. Now, the issue with Jonah is NOT that God forestalled his judgement which made it so Jonah’s prophecy of judgement against Nineveh did not come to pass as a result of their repentance. The issue with Jonah is that the Lord gave Jonah a prophecy that HE WOULD DELIVER TO NINEVEH. Jonah did everything in his power to avoid that prophecy. But, as we see, when God gives a message to a TRUE prophet, nothing in all the world will stop the prophet from actually delivering the message. Now, what God does after the message is delivered and the prophet has discharged his responsibility to God is up to God… He is, after all, a Sovereign God and He will as He will. Let’s compare that with William Branham… let’s look at his South Africa vision where God told him, and he proclaimed it throughout his ministry using THUS SAITH THE LORD that this meeting would take place. Do you think honestly for a moment that if the Lord God had wanted Branham to go to South Africa anything on this earth would have prohibited his going to deliver God’s message? And yet even Branham admitted that this didn’t occur.

We take very seriously the charges which we make against Branham. You may use not very veiled threats about judgement against me if you wish. But what I know from reading God’s Word is that we are to examine a prophet against God’s Word. We are to make sure that what a prophet proclaims as a vision of God actually comes to pass. We see in Branham that this isn’t true, even by Branham’s own admission. We are to make sure that what a prophet of God teaches aligns with God’s Word. In this email, I have shown you JUST TWO OF MANY examples of where what Branham taught was changed (you would say God corrected him), but then he returned to teaching it the old way as if God changed His mind, or as if Branham would forget God’s correction.

You suggest that “progressive revelation” is just the way of things. And I showed you in God’s Word where NO WORDS OF A TRUE PROPHET WILL FALL TO THE GROUND. That’s the way God demonstrated that a prophet REALLY WAS OF GOD!

We don’t hate William Branham. We just happen to know that according to God’s Word he isn’t a prophet of God. Minister? Not mine, but I’ll buy in to that. Evangelist? OK, the case can be made for that. Teacher? Well, not a good one as he sowed confusion by changing his position, GOD’S POSITION WHEN HE SPOKE WITH GOD’S AUTHORITY, from time to time.

1 Corinthians 14:6-9 (HCSB)

6 But now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in ⌊other⌋ languages, how will I benefit you unless I speak to you with a revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?
7 Even inanimate things that produce sounds—whether flute or harp—if they don’t make a distinction in the notes, how will what is played on the flute or harp be recognized?
8 In fact, if the trumpet makes an unclear sound, who will prepare for battle?
9 In the same way, unless you use your tongue for intelligible speech, how will what is spoken be known? For you will be speaking into the air.

I await your response.

BTS2


BM2 - Saturday, February 9, 2019 9:51 AM

BTS2,

You said >>>>>>>So far, your excuses for failed visions have been faulty math, a witness whose math is just as faulty, ignoring the key issues of the vision (16 men falling into the water and drowning as Branham said versus alternative theories), and speaking about Branham progressing in his maturity and walk with God. By the way, the last excuse offered is what I will be referring to as “progressive revelation”. Or you haven’t bothered to offer any refutation of what Branham said at all (correctly because what he says in many cases is totally indefensible).

I say.......Excuses????? That's a cop out term you're using..... in order to divert from the FACTS...that we have presented. Show me where we have used faulty math! We take the same Vision you twisted with faulty math and place it the way that GOD had in mind and presto....it fits in every way.

You are so full of diversive accusations and not one shred of evidence...to back up your CNN style of discussion. Not once have I presented any THEORIES.....but in looking into your hate William Branham agenda...I see it is chocked full of.... IF this is so's.....followed by your own opinions. You might lead silly women who are lusting after the world....into your well of deception and open spiritual borders policy...but you aren't dealing with such here.

I am a living witness and have spoken over many many years and sat at length with other witnesses.... when they were alive. Their witness along with mine...is 180 degrees from your non witness position. YOU ARE NOT A WITNESS...just a bench quarterback..or a myopic T.V.critic.

As I see it Brother.... from reading this present response...you never were taught the MESSAGE. I don't see it as a possibility..... as I read your totally confused twist on Brother Branham's use of the word... TRINITY!

A child in our Assembly understands that the word "TRINITY" is not in the Bible...but they also well understand that the word "TRINITY" ....can be applied in multiple ways. A human....by Scriptural consideration....is a "TRINITY".....made up of BODY....SPIRIT and SOUL! GOD expresses Himself...in a broad sense as a "TRINITY".... of FATHER....SON and HOLY GHOST. There are manifold sub manifestations under each title...such as Seven Spirits...Seven Eyes....Seven Horns...under the Sonship dispensation of manifestation. The concept comes under the title.... called MODALISM.....ONE PERSON...many attributes.

The Denominational TRINITY concept.....doesn't necessarily deny all of the attributes and manifestations...they just TEACH.... that there are 3 SEPARATE PERSONS....CO ETERNAL and CO EQUAL....sharing those said attributes. PURE DEMONIC HEATHENISM!!!! It can be historically traced to pre Babylon son of Cain...Nimrod!

So... GOD is a TRINITY in titled overall manifestations...but SINGLE in PERSON...ONE GOD! Anyone who has the slightest inkling of Brother Branham's teaching on the subject...has sense enough to know ....that he wasn't contradicting himself in any way....by saying that GOD is a TRINITY!!!! I have a difficult time wrapping my mind around such ignorant accusations.

BM2

BTS2 - Saturday, February 9, 2019, 11:47:36 AM

BM2,

So, I want to be sure I understand… William Branham didn’t say those things? William Branham didn’t first teach the Trinity, then he called the Trinity of Satan, then from what you just told me, Branham didn’t use the word Trinity here to describe God’s nature:

"But now the true trinity of God, being One manifested in Christ, Who was Life, and had broke the Seals and conquered the enemy, and rose up, the one true and living God. "I am He that was dead, and I'm alive forevermore, and have the keys of death and hell." God, in One, made Man, and dwelt among us, and conquered every enemy. And had proved that the trinity of Satan was conquered, and that the trinity of God was made known, 'cause only God alone had power to bring Life back again. He was that Emmanuel. God had been manifested in the flesh." 65-0418M IT.IS.THE.RISING.OF.THE.SUN (NOTE THE DATE)

I want to be sure that I understand your position. If it wasn’t William Branham who said those words, then who was it?

Your assertion is this:

“…has sense enough to know ....that he wasn't contradicting himself in any way....by saying that GOD is a TRINITY!!!!”

I want to make sure I highlight and understand this… Branham said this:

“The word "trinity" is not even mentioned in the entire Book of the Bible." 61-0108 REVELATION.CHAPTER.FOUR.3 (NOTE THE DATE)

And in your response, you are suggesting that there are multiple ways of using the word? Awesome… it’s kind of like nailing Jello to a wall. Even when Branham is clear and unequivocal in his sermons you decide that he didn’t contradict himself by saying exactly the opposite of what he previously said.

And I notice you didn’t mention the first example, Branham speaking about “the Africa campaign”.

Our problem is not that we DON’T know the message, our problem is that we know it, and we discovered that what is actually in the message does not align with scripture. We know the message enough to understand that the visions and prophecies which Branham spoke did not come to pass, despite your math. And we know the scripture enough to know that Branham lied in the Name of the Lord.

And while you selectively did not address Branham teaching throughout his ministry that Enoch and Noah were on the earth preaching at the same time which directly opposes what God’s Word tells us, let’s move forward… we stopped at 1st and 2nd Samuel in our discussion of books in the Bible with which Branham did not agree.

What about Branham’s views about women adorning themselves with jewels and fine clothing? Didn’t he call them “Jezebels”?

Here’s what Branham tells us:

“Elijah, after he'd bawled out Jezebel so much... We need another one today. That's right. Bawled her out... How the... We need one today. How the people... Oh, it's a disgrace, to what the people does today. It's just... And all of them call themselves Christians. And some of these fashions that our modern women are wearing, some of these women with them water-head haircuts, you know.” GOD.HAS.A.PROVIDED.WAY_ VICTORIA.BC SATURDAY_ 62-0728
“Elijah had cursed Jezebel about her painted face, and her way she had got all the people doing. And he was tired and weary, and was about ready to go Home.” THE.VOICE.OF.THE.SIGN BEAUMONT.TX 64-0313

It’s clear from what Branham taught that Elijah had confronted Jezebel several times. But is that true? What does the Bible say?

1 Kings 19:1-4 (HCSB)

1 Ahab told Jezebel everything that Elijah had done and how he had killed all the prophets with the sword.
2 So Jezebel sent a messenger to Elijah, saying, “May the gods punish me and do so severely if I don’t make your life like the life of one of them by this time tomorrow!”
3 Then Elijah became afraid and immediately ran for his life. When he came to Beer-sheba that belonged to Judah, he left his servant there,
4 but he went on a day’s journey into the wilderness. He sat down under a broom tree and prayed that he might die. He said, “⌊I have had⌋ enough! LORD, take my life, for I’m no better than my fathers.”

It is clear that Elijah RAN from Jezebel, but did he ever meet her face to face?

Get rid of 1 Kings.

And what of Branham’s assertion that Jezebel was a harlot and a prostitute? Was she fed to the dogs for painting her eyes and adorning her head? Here’s what the Bible says:

2 Kings 9:30-37 (HCSB)

30 When Jehu came to Jezreel, Jezebel heard about it, so she painted her eyes, adorned her head, and looked down from the window.
31 As Jehu entered the gate, she said, “⌊Do you come in⌋ peace, Zimri, killer of your master?”
32 He looked up toward the window and said, “Who is on my side? Who?” Two or three eunuchs looked down at him,
33 and he said, “Throw her down!” So they threw her down, and some of her blood splattered on the wall and on the horses, and Jehu rode over her.
34 Then he went in, ate and drank, and said, “Take care of this cursed woman and bury her, since she’s a king’s daughter.”
35 But when they went out to bury her, they did not find anything but her skull, her feet, and the palms of her hands.
36 So they went back and told him, and he said, “This ⌊fulfills⌋ the LORD’s word that He spoke through His servant Elijah the Tishbite: ‘In the plot of land at Jezreel, the dogs will eat Jezebel’s flesh.
37 Jezebel’s corpse will be like manure on the surface of the field in the plot of land at Jezreel so that no one will ⌊be able⌋ to say: This is Jezebel.’”

Do we think perhaps it was Ba’al worship and idolatry which condemned Jezebel as the Bible says? Or was it that she painted her eyes and adorned her head as Branham asserts?

2 Kings is a goner as well.

Remember that Branham spoke of women badly for adorning themselves with jewelry and fine clothing?

“I said, "Then, sister, go home and wash your face or whatever you do." I said, "Do you mean to tell me that you'd let such a little thing as wearing a little of that old stuff on your face…" 85 And I can prove to you that that come from the devil. I can prove to you that nothing in the… The originate of it was heathens. And as long as you wear it, it's a mark of a heathen. Now, I just come back from Africa, and I've been in the Hottentot jungles and found out just exactly where earrings, where all that stuff come, and all this, a lot of jewelry wrapped your necks and ears and everything, where that comes from. It's the heathens. And the Bible don't want a Christian to be a heathen. And you don't want… I don't say that you are a heathen because you do it, but you're making yourself look like one. It's because your pastor didn't tell you the truth. The Bible said so.” William Branham, 56-0805 - The Church And Its Condition, para. 85

What does the Bible actually say? Here’s a passage in the Bible where God Himself tells us through His prophet Ezekiel about adorning women with fine clothing and jewelry:

Ezekiel 16:1-14 (HCSB)

1 The word of the LORD came to me again:
2 “Son of man, explain Jerusalem’s detestable practices to her.
3 You are to say: This is what the Lord GOD says to Jerusalem: Your origin and your birth were in the land of the Canaanites. Your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite.
4 As for your birth, your umbilical cord wasn’t cut on the day you were born, and you weren’t washed clean with water. You were not rubbed with salt or wrapped in cloths.
5 No one cared ⌊enough⌋ about you to do even one of these things out of compassion for you. But you were thrown out into the open field because you were despised on the day you were born.
6 “I passed by you and saw you lying in your blood, and I said to you ⌊as you lay⌋ in your blood: Live! Yes, I said to you ⌊as you lay⌋ in your blood: Live!
7 I made you thrive like plants of the field. You grew up and matured and became very beautiful. Your breasts were formed and your hair grew, but you were stark naked.
8 “Then I passed by you and saw you, and you were indeed at the age for love. So I spread the edge of My garment over you and covered your nakedness. I pledged Myself to you, entered into a covenant with you, and you became Mine.” ⌊This is⌋ the declaration of the Lord GOD.
9 “I washed you with water, rinsed off your blood, and anointed you with oil.
10 I clothed you in embroidered cloth and provided you with leather sandals. I also wrapped you in fine linen and covered you with silk.
11 I adorned you with jewelry, putting bracelets on your wrists and a chain around your neck.
12 I put a ring in your nose, earrings on your ears, and a beautiful tiara on your head.
13 So you were adorned with gold and silver, and your clothing was ⌊made⌋ of fine linen, silk, and embroidered cloth. You ate fine flour, honey, and oil. You became extremely beautiful and attained royalty.
14 Your fame spread among the nations because of your beauty, for it was perfect through My splendor, which I had bestowed on you.” ⌊This is⌋ the declaration of the Lord GOD.

As with the misguided story which Branham told of Jezebel, was the Lord angry because of the fine clothes and jewelry? Or was He correctly angry because women turn from God in pride?

The book of Ezekiel will have to go! Snip snip snip… what a thin book the Bible becomes when you eliminate the books with which Branham disagrees.

We see a lot of things which Branham taught that mis-used scripture throughout his ministry. And a sure indicator scripturally of a false prophet is teaching that which does not align with scripture.

So, did Branham displace the Bible? Do his words supersede the very Word of God?

We do what the Bible tells us we should do:

Acts 17:11 (HCSB)

11 The people here were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, since they welcomed the message with eagerness and examined the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

It will at least be entertaining to see your next reply.

BTS2

BM2 - Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:53 AM

BTS2,

You asked >>>>So, I want to be sure I understand… William Branham didn’t say those things? William Branham didn’t first teach the Trinity, then he called the Trinity of Satan, then from what you just told me, Branham didn’t use the word Trinity here to describe God’s nature:

And in your response, you are suggesting that there are multiple ways of using the word? Awesome… it’s kind of like nailing Jello to a wall. Even when Branham is clear and unequivocal in his sermons you decide that he didn’t contradict himself by saying exactly the opposite of what he previously said.

I say....I never even intimated that Brother Branham didn't say what was placed on the quotes. I do say that you are severely lacking in comprehension. I explained in detail...that GOD is a Triune being....a Trinity if you please....but He IS NOT THREE PERSONS. Using the word "TRINITY" ... to make Him 3 Persons is heathen and blasphemous. Using the same word to describe 3 attributes of ONE PERSON..... is a completely different application....Kemo Savvy???? SAME WORD....DIFFERENT APPLICATION! Brother Branham NEVER taught the TRINITY.....of GOD being 3 Persons. Once again...in case you haven't understood me......The Trinity ....as taught by the Trinitarian church systems..... is the word Trinity.... applied to and being 3 Persons !!!!!

You said >>>>And I notice you didn’t mention the first example, Branham speaking about “the Africa campaign”.

I say......I did previously refer to the yet unfulfilled Visions and explained it in the most simple of terms. They WILL be fulfilled in the time and season....that GOD had in mind for them to be fulfilled in. No different .....than over 75% of Bible prophecy/Visions of the Prophets of the Old Testament and the prophecies of the New Testament...are yet to come to pass.

You said >>>>It’s clear from what Branham taught that Elijah had confronted Jezebel several times. But is that true? What does the Bible say?

I say.....William Branham didn't say that Elijah met with Jezebel face to face. You sure spin things to fit your twist. Elijah spoke/preached.... against the condition of the times...that Jezebel's influence had brought the Nation of Israel to. Obviously by recorded Scripture.... she had heard that Elijah had condemned her.... for her acts against the Laws of GOD. Your reference to Ezekiel 16:1-14..... as an excuse for your women to look like someone.... who went through a jewelry store with a magnet on.... is ludicrous. It is an analogy pertaining to the city of Jerusalem. It most certainly IS NOT A GOD GIVEN LICENSE..... for women to dress in Canaanite immodesty. Jezebel dressed and painted her face in the tradition of her heathen identification.Surely you aren't that ignorant of the Scriptural teachings by Paul and Peter ...pertaining to modest apparel and fancy adornings. You sure go to some low lifestyle spins...to justify your hate agenda for William Branham! He didn't invent Holiness....GOD DID!

To use your twisted spin on how women should dress by referring to Jerusalem and then try to make it the will of GOD...shows me that somewhere..... you have really gotten off of the path of Holiness. Of course you couldn't stand for Bible Holiness...since the women of your so called freedom from William Branham...wouldn't let you do so....without putting their foot down on your neck. Evidently you have only searched the Scriptures .....that you want to hear.

1 Tim. 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

1 Peter 3:1

Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

BM2

BTS2 - Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:48 AM

BM2,

Since we don’t have an assembly, since we aren’t a church, it would be at best difficult for anyone to place their foot on my neck. Again, we don’t have a group. You’ll understand that over time I trust.

And I have a full understanding of modesty of women, and revere it. But there is nothing in the scripture which you present which tells me that women in the message should wear only skirts and dresses of a certain length, only that their dress should be modest. There is nothing which you have provided which tells me why makeup is unholy. There is nothing which you have presented which speaks to the length of sleeves, etc. Branham added his judgement (notice I didn’t say he offered scriptural reference, I said he judged) to scripture. At best what he suggested is extra-scriptural. At worst it is anti-scriptural. And, I agree that modesty is of first importance. And when God clothed Israel, there was nothing immodest about the things which were described in scripture. God did not punish Jezebel because she dressed immodestly, despite what William Branham asserted. Jezebel was destroyed because of her idol worship. And you suggest that I twist scripture?

But we move along.

To this point, you have steadfastly refused to speak about how in scripture a prophet actually qualifies as a prophet of God. And this point is important.

But I wanted to pause our discussion about books of the Bible where Branham disagrees with scripture in plain writing, or where he teaches that which is not scriptural (I promise we will return to that). I want to take the examination of a prophet from another perspective. I want to be clear… we know scripturally why the people which I am about to list ARE NOT TRUE PROPHETS OF GOD. So, let there be no confusion about that.

As you and I engage in this discussion, you haven’t put forth anything which helps me to understand why Branham in your view ACTUALLY QUALIFIES SCRIPTURALLY as a prophet, other than a revelation which you have that confirms it for you personally and your personal experience.

Here is a list of people who claim to be prophets. Some of these people are actually from the message of William Branham who claim that Branham was not the “last” prophet messenger, and who actually call their ministries “Capstone” ministries. On the list, the first four are “message” ministers who claim that they now are the “final” prophet messenger as Branham claimed. But each and every one of these people have a congregation of people who claim that they too have a “revelation” and have had personal experiences, and that these people are indeed prophets of God:

Local Christian Assembly Church

WAS Joseph Coleman
NOW Bruce Dalton

Present Truth Ministry

Jason DeMars

Prophetic Revelation

Richard Gan

Full Gospel Christian Assembly

Robert Lambert

Jehovah's Witnesses "Charles Taze Russell

Seventh Day Adventist

Ellen G. White

Church of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon)

Joseph Smith

Christian Science

Mary Baker Eddy

Scientology

L Ron Hubbard

Ramtha's School of Enlightenment

J. Z. Knight

Raelism

Claude Vorilhon

The Brethren

Jim Roberts

Twelve Tribes

Elbert "Gene" Spriggs

Builders of Adytum

Paul Foster Case

Echankar

Paul Twichell

Church Universal and Triumphant

Elizabeth Claire Prophet

House of Yahweh

Buffalo Bill "Yisrayl" Hawkins

Church of Bible Understanding

Stewart Traill

Since you are having difficulty telling us how a prophet of God qualifies scripturally, could you please enlighten us… tell us how these people scripturally do not? Remember, they each have a congregation which will tell you that they have a “revelation” that these people ARE true prophets sent by God. Many in their assemblies knew these prophets personally and saw many great works and wonders. Maybe if we could understand how these people ARE NOT prophets, it would help us understand how Branham IS one.

Anxiously awaiting,

BTS2


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